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Made in fi
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With GW's announcement of legending a vast number of Marine units in 10th, I am starting to feel the inevitable push towards 30K as primarily a firstborn Marine player. I already have the Core rules, and Liber for my loyalists, but no-one from my gaming group is interested, due to the relatively costly buy-in required in order to field a 2k-3k army.

However, I think I could persuade some of them to start playing Zone Mortalis, as the game is playable with a lot smaller army than main HH. So, before I drop coin on the recent epub which has the new ZM rules for HH 2.0, I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences with it. Have you played it? How do you like it? Is it better or worse than the HH 1.0 Zone Mortalis in your opinion?

I don't know much from ZM, apart that it's kind of like Arks Of Omen, close confines maps, infantry and dreadnoughts only.. I already have ZM tileset from Necromunda and 2 sets of Into the Dark spaceship terrain, so I should be able to come up with the board easily by combining those?

Thanks
   
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There are a lot of extra rules that get added in addition to the basic HH rules so I wouldn't recommend it as a good way to learn the game or start playing the system. The rules also suggest playing at 1500-2500pts so the buy-in is still going to be considerable compared to say Combat Patrol for 40k and the restrictions on units mean that the more expensive options aren't available.

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1500 points?! Crickey

Back to KillTeam it is, then.. thanks for saving me the coins
   
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It sounds so obnoxious to say this but HH isn't something you can do in half measures because it doesn't play as well at smaller levels. That isn't to say you can't play 1k point games but you don't get the best experience of it and lose out on the more expensive but fun units.
   
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HH is kinda about the scale and spectical. It loves big units. Hell that 300pt tank the Kratos, can come in squadrons of 3. You can easily run a warhound and an army in 3k points.

It's big, it's bombastic, it's the end of an empire.

It's also more open to house rules I reckon, if you wanna do ZM like a killteam you could certainly do some tweaking and get it to be pretty fun. Make a 500 pt game on a 2x2 ZM table full of twisted, tight corridors. But some legions like the shooty ones may be weaker in that atmosphere.

   
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It'd be better just to use KT rules and HH models IMO. There was Victory is Vengeance from the original series but that was atrociously balanced.
   
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That's a very fair call. I guess it depends on the type of feel you want, kill team being more lone operatives, small scale HH being squad operations. Or character hammer if you just go, hey bring 500-1000 points of centurions and have fun.

I did want to make a game type like that, model a TF2 archtype. A sniper, scout, medic, heavy etc etc. I reckon you could have an absolute blast.
   
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2.0 Zone mortalis rules are a large downgrade from 1,0, it lacks the extra strats, force org charts etc. so if you want to jump in just get a hold of the 1.0 version and convert them over (the rules are free still I think)
   
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 Formosa wrote:
2.0 Zone mortalis rules are a large downgrade from 1,0, it lacks the extra strats, force org charts etc. so if you want to jump in just get a hold of the 1.0 version and convert them over (the rules are free still I think)


still free? ill have a looksee thanks!
   
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HH podcasters seem pretty impressed with ZM2

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guy at the local group has it and thinking of giving it a go, likely 500-750 points, we have found HH works quite well at smaller scales, though obviously it lacks the visual scale of larger

I've got a fair bit of the Necromunda terrain so likely using that for the base/walls/doors and general look of it
   
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ZM can look very impressive if you are ready to spend several thousand on buying tiles and all the extra bits and models that can be used as terrain

   
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 CragHack wrote:
ZM can look very impressive if you are ready to spend several thousand on buying tiles and all the extra bits and models that can be used as terrain


have to say if I didn't already have a Necromunda addition "issue" I'd likely either not bother or be breaking out foam core and a spray can to experiment and see if it was worth it, having some anyway, and lining up to get more anyway it seems worth a try.

I'm hoping four tiles is "enough" for a smaller game
   
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 CragHack wrote:
ZM can look very impressive if you are ready to spend several thousand on buying tiles and all the extra bits and models that can be used as terrain


Anyone who bought into KT21 Season 2 will have enough terrain for Zone Mortalis quite easily
   
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 CragHack wrote:
ZM can look very impressive if you are ready to spend several thousand on buying tiles and all the extra bits and models that can be used as terrain


This seems to be less than several thousand

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/40k-boarding-actions-terrain-set-2022

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
ZM can look very impressive if you are ready to spend several thousand on buying tiles and all the extra bits and models that can be used as terrain


This seems to be less than several thousand

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/40k-boarding-actions-terrain-set-2022


think with terrain also is that its very open to 3d printing, either bought designs or actually home brew, watch various 1980s tv Sci-Fi shows and you have plenty of basic corridor designs, or visit a naval museum ship with a camera etc - its mostly fairly basic structures with greebling, and a few files of greebles and some basic designs and you have it

ok not everyone has such a printer, but I suspect these days in most groups there will be someone with one (my local group has three with them and a forth looking into it)

I'd say getting terrain isn't the issue, heck getting decent terrain isn't the issue,. GW, MDF, 3d printed etc.. the utter PitA of terrain is painting it to look good, sort of means either an agreed paint style of one club member builds & paints it to look the same

Necromunda works locally as I got the terrain for that, ditto LotR (a mix of Sigmar stuff and 3d printed), 40k uses the stuff the shop/club has, mostly cities of death, plus some other bits

that set does look interesting though, don't like the printed card mat but the plastics are good
   
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Played quite a bit of zone mortalis over the weekend. Did an event and some extra games afterwards. The rules are excellent. Would definitely recommend. Getting the terrain isn't super easy but like people have said with boarding actions and printing it is definitely feasible. Especially if a few of you buy in
   
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I'll try to get my gaming buddy to play a 500pt ZM game with me, will give us both a taste of how it plays, if we like it, we'll expand from there
   
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It's very fun - get 1500-2000 points of primarily infantry and dreadnoughts and it's a very narrative and fun matched play list. The limited firing angles, the doors, the deployment, all of it makes for a fun game.

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it sounds like something that lets say Terminators do what they are meant to do, clear narrow corridors etc where they cannot easily be swamped by weight of numbers
   
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leopard wrote:
it sounds like something that lets say Terminators do what they are meant to do, clear narrow corridors etc where they cannot easily be swamped by weight of numbers


That or let the castraferrum be the true terror of the battlefield it was meant to be, seeing as it was intended to be a frame meant for close-quarters, like city, tunnel, or ship fighting.
   
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 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
leopard wrote:
it sounds like something that lets say Terminators do what they are meant to do, clear narrow corridors etc where they cannot easily be swamped by weight of numbers


That or let the castraferrum be the true terror of the battlefield it was meant to be, seeing as it was intended to be a frame meant for close-quarters, like city, tunnel, or ship fighting.


sounding better by the minute, anything that shakes up as a different way to play the game as a way to mix it up a bit is good for me
   
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actually had a run at this on Saturday, only 750 points, and we didn't use the deployment rules. did use the missions, objectives and reactions though

actually impressed, it played well, could have done with more terrain but thats noted for the future, changed the dynamic quite a bit, oversized squads are far less useful in confined space, more elite troops get to use their potential as well

even though a lot of the book is fluff I'll likely be getting it, and firing up the printer to get more terrain
   
 
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