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manditory flocked bases?

cuda1179 — GMT

I can understand the reason that stores sometimes insist that models be painted before being used in-store. It helps new people see that armies aren't always grey plastic or silver pewter.

That being said, I don't like places that insist that bases be decorated. I actually like having the black base. It more easily lets me see if a template is over the model.

So, if anyone ever insists that my bases be flocked, I might just have to use black flock as a protest. Am I being too silly in all this?

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Zubbiefish — GMT

Yes.

I've never heard of anyone insisting on decorated bases...
I do mine anyhow but that's because I use spectacualr basing to make up for my lackluster model painting skilz.

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Mannahnin — GMT

I don't know that I'd make it a requirement to play in a store, but when I'm judging painting scores unfinished bases are definintely a negative. Models look MUCH better with the bases finished. Even models which themselves are painted to a Golden Daemon standard look substandard with an unfinished base.

Black bases don't make it easier to tell if a template is over the model. They really don't. You just need a color which provides a good contrast to the model, which coincidentally looks better anyway. If your models are light colored, go with a nice dark brown, green, or grey base instead of the black. Add a little texture, a coat of a dark color, and a drybrush of a slightly lighter shade. Voila- big improvement in appearance, same ease of using templates.

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ph34r — GMT

I don't think I'd insist on flocked bases, but even a simple basing makes a model look so much better and IMO improves the whole "game experience"
I'm an okay painter, and a thoroughly flocked base makes my models look much better. I'd rather fight an army with flocked bases too, just as I'd rather fight a painted army.

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Infantryman — GMT

I don't flock bases, but I do paint them gob. green...this bad or ok?

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fellblade — GMT

Black flock would be cool. Do it!

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Hellfury — GMT

I used to be of the opinion that bases that were flocked, painted, etc detracted from the model.

Nowadays, I cant have a model that the basing isnt up to snuff with the rest of the model. Although, I wouldnt begrudge somebody not basing their models. Thats a part of someones aesthetics for their army. Whether thats born from actual aesthetics or pure unadultered laziness is hard to judge. Either way, its a non issue to me.

I do find it a shame when I see a damn fine model that isnt based though.

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Jester — GMT

Where can I sign up for the manditory flocking?

It does seem kind of silly that they would make you base your minis. I never used to paint my bases, but I now have most of my armies fully based with sand and static grass and the rim left black.

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nyarlathotep667 — GMT

I'm with Mannahnin on this, for regular/friendly in store game play, I've never heard of nor insisted that the figures be based (just 3 colors of paint), though over a period of time using the same unbased figures the regulars will give you a gentle ribbing since even basic flocking makes them look so much better. However, in a tournament situation it is something that would definitely be marked down over (for the same reason: flocked/finished bases look better).

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Brother Bartius — GMT

Within our small gaming group we don't insist on basing figs to play but it is prefered.

If you kept bringing the same models for a period of time unbased then eyebrows would be raised.

I personally look upon basing models like I would putting alloy wheels on a car.

A nice car without wheels is nice.

A nice car with alloys is so much sweeter.

It enhances the gaming experience IMHO.

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Sarigar — GMT

I remember years back the GW stores required all models to be painted and bases flocked to play. They've since relaxed that policy in the stores that I have visited.

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moosifer — GMT

I dont base half my models because I dont have the time at the moment. And I use gravel and stones for city fight basing instead of flock if i decide to do the basing

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beef — GMT

my original moels were never based as I was to lazy to do it, now they are all based and look better for it, A crap paint job looks better when based with sand and flock. However it should not be a pre-requesit to being allowed to play in store, well not on vets nights anyway, then even unpainted models should be alowe das its outside the shop hours,

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Infantryman — GMT

So if my entire base is goblin green, do I just paint some watered down glue on the top and run through some flock? (I've plenty of flock that I use for making hills)

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Hellfury — GMT

Posted By Infantryman on 11/24/2006 12:48 PM
So if my entire base is goblin green, do I just paint some watered down glue on the top and run through some flock? (I've plenty of flock that I use for making hills)

Basically, yes.

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Foda_Bett — GMT

Posted By beef on 11/24/2006 7:15 AM
my original models were never based as I was to lazy to do it.

Thats the exact reason people have a problem with unbased models. The league I run at my work basing is required its just the same as painting your models. Hell the guys just got all huffity since I just recently said that our 2 Eldar players could proxy harlies until the official models and they went all ballistic and called my boss, a few even said they would stop shopping at the store.

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malfred — GMT

I liked the Dakka League rules that gave you points for certain aspects of painting/playing.

I don't know if I like the idea of mandatory anything.

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syr8766 — GMT

Wow, I miss so much at tournaments. Does the person at the other end at least wear heals?

I'd heard of mandatory basing (either flocking or something else) for RTTs, but that was 5+ years ago.

If you want to emphasize the gaming piece as opposed to the mini-diorama aspect, go right ahead.

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Ghaz — GMT

Hmm. All of the miniatures I paint are based. Mainly because I base my miniatures with sand before I prime them.

Having a completely painted miniature is a different story...

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malfred — GMT

Hear hear on sanding before you prime. That made painting the stupid
base so much easier since there's a coat of primer on the stuff.

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Infantryman — GMT

How well does sand work for anything other than like a desert/city climent? I.E. usefullness on a "grass" base?

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beef — GMT

The reason I never based mine was cos I was lazy, I did my whole army in a month of non stop painting( had a month of uni) and did not want to waste time on the basxes as I could have started another squad

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beef — GMT

@ Infantryman, it works ok as most people sand then put little bits of static grass/flock on it so it looks like sand and grass.

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Sarigar — GMT

Once the base has been primered (black I assume) you can paint it any color. Drybrush some greys and a little white and it can be urban, moon like etc... Drybrush various dark reds and it can be Mars-like.

The idea (I believe) is not to leave the bases undone. Heck, if you want basic black bases, just touch them up with some black paint when your done. There are all kinds of different ways to finish the base. The base can even enhance the overall look you want for your army. It goes hand in hand with requiring painting minis.

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mikhaila — GMT

We have several events at my shops each year that require painted miniatures, and that includes flocked bases. On the flip side, it's not much of a big deal since we offer 3hour painting classes each week, with free paints, glue, and material to do the bases.

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Zubbiefish — GMT

I want to visit your store. I need painting help.
I'm not bad but I'm self-taught so I'm sure I could learn a few tihngs.

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beef — GMT

sometimes plain black base with a ring of colour on the outside look cool

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Infantryman — GMT

Whats the different between static grass and flock?

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beef — GMT

i think flock is tiny wood chip in green and yellows, it looks crap, static grass ismore wiry and feels more like felt/velvet

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magine — GMT

I have not posted in a long while but felt I needed to add my 0.02 Canadian in. The local GW around here requires you to have texture to the base, not just a painted base. If the see you playing even a friendly game without it the come and pull your models off the table. It's ridiculous.

I once saw an eldar player have a whole squad of scorpions pulled because the eldar player hadn't based the models. He said he did not want to put "grass" on the bases because the scorpions were green and was in the process of figuring out what he wanted. The told him to pull them or stop playing all together.

I do think that basing greatly enhances the quality of the model, but I think my local GW takes it to far.

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Infantryman — GMT

Hmmm...now to go buy a load of static grass and get basing :-/

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Phoenix — GMT

I really hate flock. The stuff looks horrific and makes a tremendous mess. That said you won't ever see any of it on my models. Some other base materials (sand and rocks for example) are not so bad and I don't mind using them, but flock is terrible.

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nyarlathotep667 — GMT

Flock is a general catch all term used for a range of products that are used for ground cover (in this case, basing), while static grass is a specific type that will stand up when a static charge is applies when gluing it down (it's kinda tricky to get right, but it does work). Most "flock" isn't made of sawdust, most are made of some sort of tiny, tiny shaved foam or something, though some is dyed sawdust.

Check out Woodland Scenics, who makes and has a huge range of natural dyes. Scenic Express also has a similarly wide range of similar products (including some of Woodland Scenics products IIRC). Using quality materials (not just the crap GW pushes in their stores) you can get some pretty amazing looking bases.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

Flock is a bit crap because it falls off easily, and doesn't look much like grass anyway.

I texture my bases with Milliput or Plastic Padding, and glue on sand, fine grit and rocks. It's much more durable than flock, and can paint up nicely with green, brown and yellow.

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Infantryman — GMT

I'll have to look into flocking bases and how to use static grass effectively -- currently all my bases are Goblin green in their entirety.

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nyarlathotep667 — GMT

I just mentioned this trick in the "glue fasta" thread in modeling: Wet down an old brush with water and use it to thin down some white glue on the base. "Paint" the glue so it's everywhere you want sand/rocks/flock/whatever, drizzle the stuff on, and then put some CA (super thin) super glue on. As soon as the CA glue penetrates down to the white glue, it cures instantly, seals everything in and helps prevent crap from falling off. Allow to dry, wash black/dark brown, dry brush whatever color you want the rocks/sand to be and your done! I will usually super glue in some tufts of static grass or green flock (the foam kind) before sealing the fig too. Looks pretty good, IMHO.

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mikhaila — GMT

Infantryman-

I do this to get a decent looking base for most of the models we do at the shop. GW started doing something similar when they started putting out LOTR miniatures, and we copied the look.

Paint the edge of the base in graveyard earth, or other neutral earthtone. Using an old drybrush, put a layer of white glue, or wood glue on the base, trying to keep it off the edge, and obviously off the model itself. Keep a tub of sand handy, and then pick up the model and run it through the sand, and let dry. GW sand works for this, but so does a 50 lb. bag of sand for 3 bucks at Home Depot. When the glue is dry, take an old brush, and paint the sand with brown ink. The ink spreads easier than paint, and the job goes faster and looks better. (I've also done this with a quart of dark brown wood stain, for big projects.) Drybrush with bleached bone. Let dry. Next, put white glue on the sand in 2 to 4 small random areas of the base. Take a pinch of static grass and push it into the glue. Let dry, and brush off the excess grass with a tank brush. The remaining will stand up and bush out from the brushing.

Looks good, not as hard as it sounds. I did about 500 bases like that this year.

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Infantryman — GMT

So should I top the entire flat top surface of the base with this? With a green base I'm not exactly sure.

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beef — GMT

you wont see the green ase after you have put the sand on, its ok if you have already painted the bases the effect you will get will be something like this

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001467a.jpg

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Infantryman — GMT

hmm...well, I'll get around to it eventually I guess.

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Gaaargh — GMT

Most of my bases are simply gobbo green with railroad flock that has fallen off railroad flock paper.

While the paper is rolled up I just twist the tube a little collecting the leavings in a baggie.

I paint the green bases with watery white-glue, and basically shake-N-bake.

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Samwise158 — GMT

As much as I appreciate playing against a well-painted and beautifully based army, it has always struck me as being particularly obnoxious when stores do not allow non-painted or based armies. Sure it isn't as much fun playing against that guy who never paints his stuff, but he still has a right to play in the store. It may be a turn off to see two kids playing with poorly painted or un-based minis in the GW store, but to kick them out because of that is the epitome of arrogant and obnoxious behavoir. These are their customers, and kids with unpainted armies are a part of the hobby. I was one of those kids at one point, but over time I painted my armies and made them look nicer, still they are all un-based, just painted gobbo green. I like them that way, and maybe someone at a tournament could give me a lower appearance score, but it would be ridiculous if they refused to let me play.

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bigchris1313 — GMT

Posted By Samwise158 on 11/29/2006 10:21 AM

Sure it isn't as much fun playing against that guy who never paints his stuff, but he still has a right to play in the store.

A right? Please. I think that many stores would find it useful to allow unpainted play to an extent, (enforce some sort of system of gradual completion, perhaps) in order to stimulate sales and/or get new armies or opponents into the store, but I'd never be so presumptuous as to call it a right.

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Frazzled — GMT

Thats correct. there is no right of play. However, we can always exercise our right not to buy product. So it all balances out in the end.

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beef — GMT

It is there right, since when have they inforced stupid rules such as unpainted bases. TRUST me all it takes is for a few parents to complain to head office and its gets sorted out styraight away. Trust me at my local store a few obnoxious staff were simply sacked cos a few parents complained, Remember GW doers not have any loyalty to its staff, GW values those kids with the unpainted armies's parents cash more.

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bigchris1313 — GMT

Posted By jfrazell on 11/29/2006 11:51 AM
Thats correct. there is no right of play. However, we can always exercise our right not to buy product. So it all balances out in the end.

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TroyBrun — GMT

I've had a mason-jar full of the railroad flock since '86 and have only used 1/3 of it. Back in my younger days, after finishing a fig, I was just too lazy to want to paint the base. So just slapped on some Elmers and dipped into the jar; done in 20 seconds. Has worked well for me for the past 20 years.

Man, I'm getting old . . . .

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TroyBrun — GMT

Posted By jfrazell on 11/29/2006 11:51 AM
Thats correct. there is no right of play. However, we can always exercise our right not to buy product. So it all balances out in the end.

John,

Their last name escapes me, but ask the father and sons (one worked at Willowbrook before joining the Army, and the others still play there) about the time they were not admitted to the Katy Mills store because they just had plain sand glued to their bases.

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Frazzled — GMT

Posted By TroyBrun on 11/29/2006 5:39 PM

Posted By jfrazell on 11/29/2006 11:51 AM
Thats correct. there is no right of play. However, we can always exercise our right not to buy product. So it all balances out in the end.

John,

Their last name escapes me, but ask the father and sons (one worked at Willowbrook before joining the Army, and the others still play there) about the time they were not admitted to the Katy Mills store because they just had plain sand glued to their bases.

Well thats 1) reeks; 2) is sucky; 3) violates their own rules.

Sand is flocking. Thats not acceptable. I call Shennanigans! everyone get your brooms...

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beef — GMT

Only in America. They could not pull that crap here in the UK.

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Frazzled — GMT

I'm surprised as well. My IG guys have sand bases mostly, and they went through about ten tourneys without problem.

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beef — GMT

some store owner/workers just have power trips.

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TroyBrun — GMT

Posted By jfrazell on 11/30/2006 5:44 AM
I'm surprised as well. My IG guys have sand bases mostly, and they went through about ten tourneys without problem.

This was a long time ago, back in the day when Katy Mills was the only HC in town and they would hold RTT's and not advertise or tell anyone so only the staff and a few select friends could play.

But now, Johnny Fockstick the 11-year-old can come in with his shoebox of unpainted Greater Demons of Khorne (all 6 of them), dump them on the table and expect a game. I love those kids that keep their armies in shoeboxes.

Gone are the days of the old regieme to make way for for the kiddies and their parents' disposable incomes.

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Lost_Boys — GMT

Your wrong those days are not gone. GW still focus on Parents disposable incomes, Vets dont get a look in as vets tend to be fewer in number and spend less.

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Infantryman — GMT

Can't wait till I'm a vet...

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Sarigar — GMT

This comes from the observations of someone who's been into wargaming since the late 80's (ironically when 40K showed up).

I learned how to play miniature games from then the old timers; historical gamers. One of their cardinal rules was all miniatures that went on the table had to be painted, fully. It wasn't even considered bringing unpainted , much less non painted armies. This also includes bases, so as to stay on topic. This is how I learned and how I pretty much play even to this day.

It appears it is more of a generational thing (within the gaming community) about using painted minis. I first saw this debate over on the Privateer Press forums and there were basically two camps: must be painted and those who didn't care all that much.

I play with painted armies and I will play against unpainted armies. However, from experience, I've had more enjoyable gaming experience (for the most part) from playing with those with fully painted armies. It's a rare day that I have a bad game against someone who has a painstakingly detailed painted army. It just seems to be a correlation (not meaning one begets the other) that folks who fully paint their armies tend to be more fun to play against.

I'm sure many will disagree or scream blasphemy, but that's been my experience in about 17 years of playing 40K.

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beef — GMT

well my experience of 14 years is that Some people like painting and some like gaming. some even like both. I dont personnaly care if the army I am playing against is not painted or has proxy models as long As I get a game. I played at my local store last nights (vets night) and this french guy came in with no army so he used the store ultramarine army with a few squads of some storm lords marines. All the tactical squads were supposed to be assualt marines, basically everything there was different as he had an army list from before but his mini were still in france. I had a really good game as I am not so dumb that I forgot what was proxying for what. I even let him start the game again as by turn 2 it was obvious I was going to totally crush him and that was no fun so we started again and he deployed better and the game lasted longer and we had fun and I still wone but it was not a whitewash.

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Lost_Boys — GMT

I like gaming. If they did cheap pre painted figures I would def be interested,

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fellblade — GMT

I used to never field an unpainted mini. Now I just have too many, so occasionally a primered unit sneaks into a game, especially if I'm trying something new. I don't mind much if my opponent has some unpainted figs on the table, either. It's the people who never, ever get around to painting their figs that bug me. Geez, why not just put out cardboard counters? Even the people who paint like crap are at least trying. As long as there is some progression, I am happy. Bare metal one month, primer the next, basecoated, good, keep it coming!

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beef — GMT

fair point but some just like to play, what about hem? some are to busy. Would just a primer/basecoaqt suffice?

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Mannahnin — GMT

If I may quote my wife?s grandmother: ?If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don?t want to do something, you will find an excuse.?

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Frazzled — GMT

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

I don't want to do it. I can't stand flocked bases for my own minis, except for heavy weapons bases or special pieces. I've given up and paint them solid green.

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Banesword — GMT

When I played at the local GW store, any unit that had models unpainted/unflocked lost D6 models before turn 1.

All my models are flocked.

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TroyBrun — GMT

Back when I ran a HC, I tried a new pilot program. Anyone who had unpainted models was allowed to set up their army on the table for a game. I then came out of the back room with a 2x4 and smashed said unpainted models to bits and then yelled 'free bitz'; and the feeding frenzy ensued.

Pity that program didn't last long . . .

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TroyBrun — GMT

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

Granny is very wise. Is she Chineese? Because you all know that true wisdom can only come from the mouths of old Chineese people.

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Frazzled — GMT

Something tells me you didn't do that.

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GrimTeef — GMT

It is really more enjoyable playing against a painted army, but I know that life just gets in the way of doing these things, and I won't begrudge someone a game because they have other things they need to do.

As far as basing goes, I can see the reason for not doing it. The Rackham models don't have it done and it looks good. Black is the color that 'disappears' to the eye, so leaving your base black would possibly help when playing on different terrain types. I could see a warm grey base providing the same function.

If you don't like flocked bases, you could do them up to look like plain concrete cityfight bases. Scribe in some cracks or separations, paint light grey, wash with dark grey, quick drybrush with original light grey. Simple, looks like concrete, job's done.

You could paint blast burns on there, cut brass tubing for sell casings, throw some bits or plasticard detritus down as shrapnel. There's a lot you can do without using flock, sand, or static grass.

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rryannn — GMT

I remember my first snot green/flocked base. lol. the good ole' days. Now I've based my army with RR ballast and like it alot more. I don't mind playing against and unpainted/unbased army for a fun game, but in a tournie setting, I'd expect everything to be at a higher level.

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Mannahnin — GMT

Posted By jfrazell on 12/04/2006 5:06 AM

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

I don't want to do it. I can't stand flocked bases for my own minis, except for heavy weapons bases or special pieces. I've given up and paint them solid green.

It's so damn easy, though. Water down some Elmer's white glue, paint it onto the base with a cheap brush, dip the fig in a small tub of sand/ballast. Wait until it dries, darken the sand with some brown ink, wait for drying again, and drybrush a lighter color. Wait until it dries, put a small puddle or two of glue in patches on the base, and throw a little static grass on. Turn the model upside down over your static grass container and tap the bottom of the base a few times to get rid of the loose strands.

Tell you what- if you're ever in New Hampshire (or Boston, for that matter), bring your army and drop me a PM. I'll base your whole army in an evening while shooting the bull with you; you just provide a six pack.

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beef — GMT

Thats what I am talkin about. The store that made unpainted units lose d6 models. who the hell gives them the rights to do thats? Its not a GW policy its a storte policy. F it, complain to head office and see the jerks get sacked. Its soooo easy. why should I base my models if I dont want to?? before they were considered based if they had a lick of goblin green, now they need to be flocked/sanded etc. Soon they will need to have that new resin crap stuff they sell with bits of masonry (from the cities of death) Cant you see where rthis is going?
STOP THE MADNESS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

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Frazzled — GMT

Ayah, it would have to be margaritas though

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budro — GMT

I perfer playing against and with painted/based minis. The local league I play with is comprised almost solely of long time players with multiple armies in many cases, all with very well done table-top (and better) standards of painting. However, no one there gets miffed if someone is starting a new army and the first game they play with it nothing is painted, the next game one unit is painted, ect. What matters is that the are progressing with it - eventually it will be done fully.

I don't usually enjoy games against players that never paint their armies - in my experience these players are often not fun for me to play against. Just a personal thing.

And for the record - all my minis for 40K are based with unpainted sand with a tin bitz rim. WHFB minis are based with a mix of sand and green flock (watered down glue on some ares, dip in sand, let dry, glue on rest of area and parts of the sand, dip in flock) which provides for a nice mixture on the base.

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fellblade — GMT

When I played at the local GW store, any unit that had models unpainted/unflocked lost D6 models before turn 1.

There is a similar rule in effect at any RTT hosted by my FLGS. You can use any unpainted miniature you want... but your opponent may, at any time, remove any of your unpainted miniatures from the table, and he may do this as often as he wants.

This is fun. You are playing a 12-year-old who has had his army for two months... do you really want to act like a jerk and pull his Land Raider off the table at the end of turn 1? Then there's the poor loser who can't get a friendly game anymore and enters RTTs so we have to play with him. Of course his unpainted Necron Lord will be coming off the board ASAP.

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Frazzled — GMT

Wow the OCD factor is pretty high here.

-flocked bases are ok if you like that.
-painted bases are ok.

I don't the attitude about bases. its not an effort thing, I just personally don't like flocking on bases. I want to focus on the mini not the base.

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bigchris1313 — GMT

Posted By beef on 12/05/2006 3:01 AM
Thats what I am talkin about. The store that made unpainted units lose d6 models. who the hell gives them the rights to do thats?

It's their store. You're not paying to play there. They make the rules. And in the case of GW stores, the stores, or at least the regional managers, get to make the call on how to handle people with unpainted/unbased/whatever models. You don't have rights.

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beef — GMT

Actually your wrong. I am talking about the GW stores, not the independent retailers. For the independent retailer they can do what they want. ASA for GW stores they cant. They can refuse to let peole play during opening hours but then they never let peole play then anyway as they are focusing on there main cash cows (the kids) and busy doin intro games. So the only time you get to play is after hours and on Vets nights. Then they have NO right to refuse to let you play or remove models that are unpainted. Ring up GW head office and ask them if you want. They will not say they do that as its bad publicity. Yes the store manager can be a C'nt and do that but then you can always get him sacked or tranfered. My local store has had over 7 managers, of which all have been transfered and 2 were sacked. Dont even get me on how many staff have been sacked over the years. The reason I know this is I have quite a few links with my local stores through my brother who worked there and various friends who have worked there over the years. I do know what I am talking about. Yes tournies are diff as one of the prerequesits is a painted army with atleast 3 colours.

I am mainly addressing the GW stores. the rest can do as they pls

RE: manditory flocked bases?

Frazzled — GMT

We’re on the same side Beef but you’re incorrect. Barring an agreement between you and the store they have every legal right to deny your play there. Absent something tangential like discrimination (sorry no statute protecting drunken space Vikings yet) they can kick your furry bootey out for the slightest of causes-an amazing amount of fleas in the store, dragging in deer carcasses as a “snack” during the game, you would be amazed at what they’ll kick you out for J

Now as a business practice the argument is they want painted minis to better sell store products. Fair enough. But you also immediately lose MY business if you do that. As no one gave me these 5-6 armies I have laying about that would amount to a revenue decline.

RE: manditory flocked bases?

bigchris1313 — GMT

Posted By beef on 12/05/2006 1:36 PM

Actually your wrong.

Sigged.

RE: manditory flocked bases?

beef — GMT

Ok so I spoke to head office and they said for most GW stores the models need to be undercoated atleast. some stores require 3 colours atleast. BUT none require them to be flocked or based properly. Also they wont Not let you play if the army is not painted especially if you just bought it however if you turn up week in week out with the same unpainted figure they will stop you. Fair enough

Bring on the prepainted mini. Not for me as All my models are painted. LOOK, this BA army won best painted at a tournie in May and the pre herasy World eater army won the same prize in Oct

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/balib2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001467a.jpg

RE: manditory flocked bases?

beef — GMT

as you can see all my mini are based and flocked etc.

Wow I have been sigged. Its an honour

RE: manditory flocked bases?

Frazzled — GMT

You stole my guys with wings idea you son of a...

RE: manditory flocked bases?

Gaaargh — GMT

Posted By beef on 12/06/2006 3:03 AM

Ok so I spoke to head office and they said for most GW stores the models need to be undercoated atleast. some stores require 3 colours atleast. BUT none require them to be flocked or based properly. Also they wont Not let you play if the army is not painted especially if you just bought it however if you turn up week in week out with the same unpainted figure they will stop you. Fair enough

Bring on the prepainted mini. Not for me as All my models are painted. LOOK, this BA army won best painted at a tournie in May and the pre herasy World eater army won the same prize in Oct

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/balib2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001467a.jpg

Hey Meatball, Nice job!

I really dig those paintjobs. Do you have more pics?

RE: manditory flocked bases?

beef — GMT

@ jfrazel sorry bout the wings idea but it so cliche with BA. you just gota have atleast one charactor with wings in the army

here you go, and yes that is the Hulk in the pre heresy army , you might even see wolverine in the Ba army. look closely he is in the 8th picture right in the middle with the assualt squad (without jumpacks.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001473.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001472a.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001469a.jpg
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RE: manditory flocked bases?

Samwise158 — GMT

   Perhaps Right is too strong a word, but deserve isn't. Assuming that the kid with parental disposable income and the guy who doesn't paint his stuff are customers of the store, there isn't a good reason why they shouldn't be able to play there (Tournaments exempted).   Game stores need a community of gamers to make money from GW products. Kids and Slackers are a part of that community. They may be lower on the food chain and they may be annoying, but they still add to the environment. Most of the strong 40k groups I've been a part of have a regular meeting time and are open to new people. Taking part in a good campaign or playing against someone with a cool army is what gets people excited enough to paint their armies and stick with the hobby. If someone doesn't have the attention span to paint their figs they usually drift on to more accessible hobbies like collectable cards or video games. In this respect, the hobby is somewhat self selecting.
   I've seen stores with gobs of excellent terrain and plenty of table space but a non-existent miniatures community. When I talk to the staff about it there is usually a story about some power-gaming/rules-laywering guy who pissed everyone off or else one of the managers is on a power trip and has a list of overbearing rules that you must follow in his store. What bothers me about the second situation is that people go to a games store to play games with friends and like-minded hobbyists. If I take the time to organize a game, patronize the store, and obey the normal rules of human conduct something as stupid as whether or not I have sand glued to my bases shouldn't be anybody's concern.
   Usually there is a small group of enthusiastic gamers that generate interest (a.k.a. profit for the store) and attract new players to the hobby. If those new players are penalized and subjected to minor humiliations (ex. someone having the gall to interrupt the game and remove your model because you happen to be on their turf) to spur them into painting faster, it will more likely cause them to quit playing.
   Like Beef said, some players are into playing and not painting. Some of my favorite opponents play routinely with unpainted armies. I've also played against major #$@&% with beautifully painted armies. "A game is a contract between two people to have fun." Why have gaming tables at all if you won't let people use them? If the play isn't part of a tournament and the person's army is WYSIWYG, I can't see any reason to get in a huff about it. Is this really that much of a problem that people should be treated disrespectfully?

"A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption of our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider to our business. He is part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so." -Mahatma Ghandi

RE: manditory flocked bases?

Dave47 — GMT

I’m getting into this thread much too late, but I still think this anecdote is worth relating:

For the longest time, I panted my miniatures to a high standard, but I didn’t flock them. I did this partially because I was dreaming of one day building a custom table and basing them all to match, but mostly because of a combination of laziness and fear of trying new procedures. But one day, I decided to take the plunge. It took about 90 minutes to flock my entire army, and the materials cost about $5 total.

I cannot believe how much better my miniatures looked. Even on the “wrong” tables, they looked good. Plus, I realized people were much more likely to take the time to go for a “close in look” at flocked models. My #1 piece of painting advice: flock your miniatures. It’s the best thing you can do for them in sixty seconds.

RE: manditory flocked bases?

beef — GMT

@ jfrazel sorry bout the wings idea but it so cliche with BA. you just gota have atleast one charactor with wings in the army

@ Samise you are SO correct

@waarg here you go, and yes that is the Hulk in the pre heresy army , you might even see wolverine in the Ba army. look closely he is in the 11th picture right in the middle with the assualt squad (without jumpacks.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef2.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/baterm.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/batac.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/balib2.jpg
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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/badred.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/bachap2.jpg
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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/ba.jpg

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http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001465.jpg