If you would like to out assault him, think about suicide squads. Three units of truck boys, all with a nob with a powerclaw. Run them right at the Carnifex's and tyrant. YES, you will most definately loose these units. However, not only will they will kill a carnifex or two, they will keep them from shooting you. This is the best thing you can do. Also consider an army with 9 killa cans. Just like the truck boys you will loose a TON of them, but they will get the job done.

  Rokkit launchers are a joke against nidzilla armies. They are great against MEQ, but with the 2+ save of the big guys they don't do much. Better stick with big shootas. Looted vehicles can be handy. A Demolisher can give you a lot of the AP 2 you need.

  If he is feeding you guants to tarpit you, do the same to him, but better. Use two large grot squads with a slaver with a powerclaw. It is only a 118 point unit for 31 models. That should help you tie up the guant charge. The whole combat will more less be pointless ( each side has its only purpose be to tie eachother up).

Uh, One unit of trukk boyz can mug 2 or 3 carnifexes.  A shooty-fex has 2 attacks in close-combat, and a low weapon skill.  They might kill one boy/turn.

Your nob can get 5 attacks on the charge and 4 the following turn, with his powerklaw.  Hitting on 3's and killing on 3's (or 2's on the ones he doesn't give toughness upgrades to), you should get 5 wounds in 3 turns.  So, he kills 3 boyz in that time.  You have 7 left to go whack the next fex.

I brought orks to the adepticon gladiator, played against godzilla 'nids, and got a massacre against them.  It's all about putting the powerklaws on the fexes. 

Posted By Da Boss on 04/16/2007 7:38 AM
It is of course tailored to killing my guys. It wouldn't be much fun for my opponent otherwise, so I don't begrudge him his list.

The counterargument to this is, of course, is it more fun for him to beat you over and over and over again because of a power imbalance between two codices, or to actually play a tight, challenging game?

Still, though the balance between the codices is not exactly where it should be, it will make victory all the sweeter when you do pull it off.

  And the best thing they have.....SQUIGOTHS!!!!  Three of the largest ones of these each with three twinlinked big shootas and 10 shootas with BS 3 will whipe the board with any unit short of a monsterous creature. Plus they are relatively cheap.  in a pinch they can also be used for countercharge.They only downside is you need to scratch build them.

  Don't forget the madboys. They can be doped up to strenth 5, all for 8 points per boy. Two madboys with strenth 5 will always beat one genestealer in close combat.

  Basically, you will be able to outshoot him, then when he gets close you can out assault him.

I think you are being overly optimistic for the orcs and overly pessimistic for the nids.  In isolation that scenario seems a losing propsosition for the orcs.  Whilst there doesn't seem to be a description of the actual warriors used (just hints of some of the morphs), the nid player has indicated he tricks them out just to burn points.  I'd assume that means Bio-plasma, Toxin sac, Rending claw, +I, +Ws, +Sv. Some of those we know he takes, the others I'm guessing at, +WS vs orcs just seems to obvious.

[Fire 9 pistols, hit 3 wound 1.5, unsave .75
Fire template, hit 3 wound 1.5, unsave .75
Trukk Big shoota hit 1 wound .5 unsave .25

At this point, there is about a 75% chance that you are eliminated one of the 3 warriors.]

My quick back of envelope calculation (quite literally - bank statements have a use!) puts that at ~55%.

[Assault
3 warriors,
3 BP attacks, 1.5 hits, 1 wound, .833 unsaved
9 attacks, 4.5 hits, 3 wound, 2.5 unsaved.
So *if* you didn't kill one in shooting, you lose 3.3 in hth
If you did kill one in shooting, you lose 2.2
]

Assuming he is using +WS (he may not) the S6 plasma, and 9 rending attacks, that would average slightly over 5 kills for 3 warriors, or 3 if hes down to just 2 warriors, though 2 warriors are almost as likley to kill 4 as they are 3. (24% to 27%).

[ Now you get 21 attacks in return
21 attacks, 10.5 hit, 3.5 wound, 1.75 unsaved. ]

1 wound being modal average, though 21 attacks is assuming at least a bit of luck on his behalf. 18 or less attacks is more likely. At 18 attacks you're odds on to only get 0 or 1. At 15 attacks (4 dead orcs) you are more likely to flunk it totally  than score 2 wounds.

[So there is about a 50% chance you have killed two of them at this point. and only lost 2-3 yourself.]

The chance he will kill a warrior shooting, and then have enough attacks over to kill another is pretty slim, even at the shooting part he only had just over that 50% chance of killing the first warrior. I've not done all the maths, but gut feeling, is about a 20-25% chance of ending with 2 dead warriors, for 3 or 4 orcs.

That, however, is only half the story. There is another assault phase before you get to do anything else (if you havnt run/cut down already).  Even if nothing else joins, the orcs are fighting a bad fight - their efficiency on subsequent rounds drops hugely as they can't shoot or get extra attacks.  If he still has 3 warriors left then kiss your orcs goodbye.  If he has 2 left, then you probably arent going to have enough left to do anything more and get cut down running away. Even if he only has 1 warrior left he may get the 5th orc to claim a half dead unit (and possibly still survive the round).

The problem being that ultimately the nids are far more likely to win and gain full VPs than the orcs, who have smallish chance of winning, and even some of that is probably seeing giving up half VP. Winning really depends on doing well in the initial shooting part of that plan so supporting fire, as you suggest, is extemely valuable, in fact I'd say a neccessity, as if you don't nail at least 1 warrior at that point then you are committed to what is highly likely a badly lost fight.

As the players involved have indicated, kitted out warriors really outclass basic orcs, I have visions of the start of the LoTR film, massed orcs charge the stationary warriors, who wait till they arrive then, with a flick of the talons, butcher the entire the first wave.