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				<description><![CDATA[ <p>This hasn't come up yet in a game, but I can see how it might/will and I would like to have a basis for the inevitable discussion..&nbsp; A Dark Angels squad of 10 marines can buy a Rhino as a dedicated transport on the army list.&nbsp; During deployment the unit can split into two combat squads.&nbsp; Does the Rhino have to be allocated to one of the combat squads?&nbsp; Can it &quot;pick up&quot; either of the squads during the game?&nbsp; If it picks up one combat squad, is it then not allowed to pick up and transport the other combat squad since it is a dedicated transport?&nbsp; Both combat squads came from the same original unit when the Rhino was&nbsp;bought as a dedicated transport...&nbsp; I have not found anything in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span> to support&nbsp;or prevent this course of action.&nbsp; Basically they didn't address this 'loophole' as far as I can tell. :| </p>  <p>Thanks for your opinions.</p>  <p>Beast</p>  <p>Edit:&nbsp; I should say that it just feels wrong to be able to transport both combat squads (separately or together) even though I can't find a specific rule about this relating to combat squads that were originally joined (pre-deployment) on the army-list.</p>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 May 2007 22:47:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p>Additionally, is it allowed for&nbsp;my opponent to&nbsp;take a Razorback for a unit of 10 marines that he knows he will split into combat squads on deployment,&nbsp;or must he buy a Rhino that can transport all of the original unit's members?&nbsp; </p>  <p>It seems wrong to allow a Razorback in this case, but the only thing I can find preventing it is the capacity of Razorbacks.&nbsp; If this is applied to the unit before deployment (when it is bought on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span>) then it seems&nbsp;obvious to disallow it, but if it is applied during deployment then I might have difficulty arguing against him.&nbsp; I guess that Army Builder (or other programs) wouldn't allow it, but that is obviously not an official ruling/justification.&nbsp; </p>  <p>Perhaps some of you logic experts can create a case against this for me.</p>  <p>Again, thanks.</p>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 May 2007 18:17:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beast]]></author>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I don't  have the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> dex, but the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> one states you can pick a razorback if your unit is 6 or less.  The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> unit is 10 until deployment, so I would say no. (assuming that terminology is the same in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> dex.)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 May 2007 19:12:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p>Yeah, the wording in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> dex is different from the C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> entry for Tactical squads. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> dex says &quot;Tactical squads may select a Drop Pod, a Rhino or a Razorback as a dedicated transport vehicle (see page 87 for points cost)&quot;.&nbsp; The entry for Razorback states the capacity is six but nothing about selecting it for a split combat squad.</p>  <p>This differs from the C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> entry which states: &quot;<b>Transport: </b>A Tactical squad which numbers six models or less may select a Razorback transport. Tactical squads which number ten models or less may select a Rhino transport. See the Transport vehicles entry for their details.&quot;</p>  <p>I can see potential room for abuse in this.&nbsp; It would be a way for some players to get two heavy weapons in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> tactical squad (one carried by a Marine and the other Razorback mounted).&nbsp; I can't imagine the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>devs</span> intended this, but I am not even going to go down the intent road...</p>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 May 2007 19:50:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>: 250 for a 10man las-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> (which is the only way to get the las) + Razorback w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>.<br><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>: 185 for a 6man las-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> + Razorback w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span>.<br>In either case, add 20 for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>.<br><br>Somehow, I don't think the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DAs</span> are really too broken in this respect, since they have to pay 65 extra.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 May 2007 20:18:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p>Wait a sec...&nbsp;Let's compare apples to apples...&nbsp; A 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> squad with a Lascannon costs 185 points.&nbsp; Add a (legal???) Razorback from codex <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> for 50 points.&nbsp; That is 10 Space Marines (in two units but ONE <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> slot and one has vet sgt), two heavy weapons and a vehicle for 235 points.</p>  <p>A vanilla 5 man squad with a Lascannon costs 90 points.&nbsp; Add a Razorback (from codex Space Marines) for 70 points.&nbsp; Now add a combat squad (as a different <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> slot) for 75 points.&nbsp; That is 10 Space Marines (in TWO <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> slots and no vet sgt), two heavy weapons and a vehicle for 235 points.</p>  <p>But my question was not whether <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> are broken (although they <i>would</i> get more out of one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span> slot in this case).&nbsp; My question was whether the Razorback was legal in this case.&nbsp; Any opinions on this?</p>  <p>Thanks</p>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 May 2007 21:40:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, the Razorback is completely legal.<br><br>The only problem is that in escalation, the entire squad starts offboard and can't be split, so they can't use the razorback until they lose 4 guys.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 01:35:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ How about the Rhino question?&nbsp; Can it transport either/both combat squads once they are on the board? Thanks.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 03:07:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Combat Squads rule <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> codex page 23 "...each Combat squad is treated as a seperate unit for all game purposes from that point..."<br><br>A dedicated transport may only ever transport the unit it was assigned to. Thus, if you split into combat squads, you assign one squad the transport and it is theirs and theirs alone for the remainder of the game.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 11:35:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That is one possibility, but it is assigned to one unit.The 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> unit. Now they get a divorce, and become two units. Does only one get custody? Or is it joint custody?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 14:21:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <div   >"...each Combat squad is treated as a seperate unit for all game purposes from that point..."</div  ><br><br><div   >Now they get a divorce, and become two units. Does only one get custody? Or is it joint custody?</div  ><br><br><br>Joint custody only puts extra strain on the poor innocent transport. Only one combat squad gets custody.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 15:38:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I know it matters not on this board and for purposes of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span>, but <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> FAQed it and said they may both use the Rhino's transport capacity, but not at the same time.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 15:44:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <div   >I know it matters not on this board and for purposes of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span>, but <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> FAQed it and said they may both use the Rhino's transport capacity, but not at the same time.</div  ><br><br>I'd actually say that's the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span> answer.]]></description>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ After thinking on it further I decided to check the specific wording in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(12);'>BGB</span> regarding transports and considering that it simply says that it can only be used by the unit it was bought, and technically even when split, both squads are the unit that it was bought for, either one could use it and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> makes perfect sense. Shows me for only checking one book and not both.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 17:05:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <p>&nbsp;</p>  <p>Who is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> and where is this <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>?</p>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 18:12:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By Green Angel  on  05/13/2007 11:12 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <p>&nbsp;</p>  <p>Who is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> and where is this <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>?</p>  </div></blockquote>  <br />  You seriously dont know who &quot;JJ&quot; is?<br />  <br />  <img src="http://www.pimpadelicwonderland.com/album/dynomite.jpg"  /><br />  <br />  I think its David Chappelles daddy...<br />  <br />  Good times man, good times....]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 13 May 2007 18:55:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By Green Angel  on  05/13/2007 11:12 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <p>&nbsp;</p>  <p>Who is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> and where is this <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>?</p>  </div></blockquote>  Wait, you're the same guy that said <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> isn't doing any layoffs, right? And you don't know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is? Or the really obvious unofficial <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> people are referring to? <br />  <br />  I'll give you a hint, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> we're speaking of, he wasn't on Good Times, despite what that filthy xenos lover <strike>Malfred</strike> Hellfury would have you believe. <br />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ heh i know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is but i have no idea what <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> yer talking about]]></description>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Is there a rule saying two units can't use the same transport?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2007 02:45:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 05/14/2007 1:06 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span><br />  <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By Green Angel on 05/13/2007 11:12 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <p>&nbsp;</p>  <p>Who is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> and where is this <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>?</p>  </div></blockquote>  Wait, you're the same guy that said <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> isn't doing any layoffs, right? And you don't know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is? Or the really obvious unofficial <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> people are referring to? <br />  <br />  I'll give you a hint, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> we're speaking of, he wasn't on Good Times, despite what that filthy xenos lover <strike>Malfred</strike> Hellfury would have you believe. <br />  </div></blockquote>  <p><br />  I <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>ws</span> being facetious. As far as I know, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> has not written an official <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> on any subject, and anything he says in an article or interview is &quot;off the record&quot; in terms of officiality.</p>  <p>&nbsp;</p>  <p><br />  </p>]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Green Angel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How very incredibly useful.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Da Boss]]></author>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By Flagg07 on 05/13/2007 8:38 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <div   >&quot;...each Combat squad is treated as a seperate unit for all game purposes from that point...&quot;</div  ><br />  <br />  <div   >Now they get a divorce, and become two units. Does only one get custody? Or is it joint custody?</div  ><br />  <br />  <br />  Joint custody only puts extra strain on the poor innocent transport. Only one combat squad gets custody.</div></blockquote>  <br />  <br />  ROTFLMAO - former family law attorney.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By GimpMaster  on  05/14/2007 2:31 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span><br />  heh i know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is but i have no idea what <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> yer talking about</div></blockquote>  Ah, it's some highly unofficial rules querry passed on to the Bolter &amp; Chainsword via Owen Rees. <a target=_blank href="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=103745">Abandone All Hope Ye Who Entere Here</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By coredump on 05/14/2007 7:45 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span><br />  Is there a rule saying two units can't use the same transport?</div></blockquote>  <p><br />  <br />  At the same time, yes. And if dedicated, only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>th</span> eunit it was bought for can use it, of course. Question here becomes, Did only one combat squad buy it or did both. Jervis Johnson's answer is both.</p>  <p>Q: If I split a Tactical Squad into two Combat Squads, can both use any dedicated transport vehicle that was purchased for the unit? Or do I have to assign the vehicle to one of the Combat Squads?<br />  <br />  A: Either Combat Squad is allowed to use the transport, but they cannot both use it at the same time because they are no longer a single unit. (Only one unit is allowed to use a transport vehicle at a time; see the rules for Transport Vehicles in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook). </p>  <p>You can find it here:</p>  <p><u><font color="#0000ff"><a target=_blank href="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=103740&amp;hl">http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=103740&amp;hl</a>=)</font></u></p>  <p>It's also on Warseer somewhere, along with some more answers on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> found here:</p>  <p><a target=_blank href="http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83647">http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83647</a></p>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Perfect.&nbsp; That answers both of my questions.&nbsp; Many thanks to all of you.&nbsp; And thanks &nbsp;for finding the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span>/Owen post on B&amp;C.&nbsp;]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2007 07:47:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beast]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 05/14/2007 12:00 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By GimpMaster on 05/14/2007 2:31 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span><br />  heh i know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is but i have no idea what <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> yer talking about</div></blockquote>  Ah, it's some highly unofficial rules querry passed on to the Bolter &amp; Chainsword via Owen Rees. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=103745">Abandone All Hope Ye Who Entere Here</a></div></blockquote>  <br />  Glad you clarified it as highly unofficial. <br />]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2007 07:59:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Green Angel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think people misunderstood me.  I wasn't argreeing with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span>'s interpretation because its <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span>'s interpretation.  <br><br>I was agreeing with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span>'s interpretation because its actually a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span> interpretation.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2007 11:06:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Centurian99]]></author>
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				<title>RE: Transport for combat squads</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By Green Angel  on  05/14/2007 12:59 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 05/14/2007 12:00 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span><br />  <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Posted By GimpMaster on 05/14/2007 2:31 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span><br />  heh i know who <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is but i have no idea what <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> yer talking about</div></blockquote>  Ah, it's some highly unofficial rules querry passed on to the Bolter &amp; Chainsword via Owen Rees. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=103745">Abandone All Hope Ye Who Entere Here</a></div></blockquote>  <br />  Glad you clarified it as highly unofficial. <br />  </div></blockquote>  Perhaps some reading comprehension would do you good as I always called it unofficial since it was not and has not been published by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>, be it in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(143);'>WD</span> or on their website via PDF. <br />  <br />  Anyhow, Centurion has the right of it: it's about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span> (and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(311);'>JJ</span> is a huge proponent of, when in doubt,&nbsp; deferring to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>RAW</span>).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 14 May 2007 12:33:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nyarlathotep667]]></author>
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