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Apocalypse/LatD info stolen from Warseer

Ozymandias — GMT

Shamelessly stolen from Warseer:

www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php

Not only does Apocalypse look pretty cool, but good to know they are finding a solution for all of the LatD players (see, they didn't forget about you!)

Ozymandias, King of Kings

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Asmodai — GMT

So is that datasheet official for non-Apocalypse games?

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Wayfarer — GMT

If I had to guess I'd say no.

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Dead Horse — GMT

Just for people who don't feel like clicking through, there's a photo of a poster containing the following text:
"Lost and the Damned players worried about their armies with the release of the new chaos codex will like the fact that there is a Datasheet that allows them to field their Mutated hordes once again. With the datasheet you can field any units from the Imperial Guard as well. The only condition is that you must take at least three units of mutants. This datasheet and many more for all armies in 40K will be available online."

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Boss Salvage — GMT

LatD battles on? Great!
Has to take 3 mutant squads? Right on!
Can take whatever from the IG codex? Also sweet!
BUT ... all APOC datasheets being available online? Yessss!

Wonder what's up with GeeDub, this whole C:APOC is making me have some faith in 40k again

- Salvage

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

It must be a trick.

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bejustorbedead — GMT

Given that these datasheets are specifically mentioned as being for Apocalypse, it's doubtful they'd be legal for normal 40k gaming. LatD are still boned.

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CaptKaruthors — GMT

Still at least they addressed the army by giving them a place in the game and not letting the army completely go away...as it is for me...Apocalypse is more fun orientated anyways. I expect I'll be playing lots of APOC over the next several months.

Capt k

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widderslainte — GMT

Can anyone explain what a "datasheet" is? Has there been any examples posted online?

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

I believe it is a broad surface of paper, possibly with information on it. Hence 'data' but on a 'sheet'.

I may be wrong however.

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Ozymandias — GMT

Posted By bejustorbedead on 07/31/2007 5:55 AM
Given that these datasheets are specifically mentioned as being for Apocalypse, it's doubtful they'd be legal for normal 40k gaming. LatD are still boned.

What's "normal 40k gaming" and what determines what's legal? It 'may' not be legal for tournaments (we don't know yet), but as far as "normal" gaming, that is whatever you want it to be.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

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t-tauri — GMT

Indeed.

Think old Epic formation cards. It seems as if the datasheet has all the rules for specific formations like the ten Leman Russ box, a Kult of Speed, Space Marine Company, Baneblade or whatever.

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Asmodai — GMT

Posted By Ozymandias on 07/31/2007 8:33 AM

Posted By bejustorbedead on 07/31/2007 5:55 AM
Given that these datasheets are specifically mentioned as being for Apocalypse, it's doubtful they'd be legal for normal 40k gaming. LatD are still boned.

What's "normal 40k gaming" and what determines what's legal? It 'may' not be legal for tournaments (we don't know yet), but as far as "normal" gaming, that is whatever you want it to be.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

That may work if you're the Ayatollah or Kim Jung Il.

For the rest of us 'normal gaming' is what the community as a whole and our opponents define it as.

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Ghaz — GMT

Agreed. LaTD will be legal for Apocalypse games only using the rules as presented by Games Workshop. They will most likely not be 'tournament-legal' in standard 40K games.

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Boss Salvage — GMT

And APOC tournaments would be just that, apocolyptic! No force org, few if any restrictions, massive templates of shooty shooty death ...

I know once APOC hits at my FLGS that's all we're playing on the weekends. Considering we only play megas anyway, it'll just be the same as usual, just SO much more awesome

- Salvage

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malfred — GMT

It's frigtening to think that I already have the minis for this. The only
things I'm missing are Eldar skimmers, but that's because I can't paint
them for crap.

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Ozymandias — GMT

Posted By Ghaz on 07/31/2007 9:36 AM
Agreed. LaTD will be legal for Apocalypse games only using the rules as presented by Games Workshop. They will most likely not be 'tournament-legal' in standard 40K games.

Have you seen the datasheet or is this speculation? I agree that they won't be "tournament-legal", but for most gamers out there, that is not "normal gaming." I'm just wondering what the definition of "normal" gaming is?

Ozymandias, King of Kings

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Schepp himself — GMT

Whats the package deal for eldar? 3 Serpents or what?

Looks interesting for sure. Especially the package deals, if they are deals indeed that is...

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Anyone got prices for the book itself?

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Abadabadoobaddon — GMT

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 07/31/2007 5:30 AM
It must be a trick.

Get an axe.

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ubermosher — GMT

Posted By Ghaz on 07/31/2007 9:36 AM
Agreed. LaTD will be legal for Apocalypse games only using the rules as presented by Games Workshop. They will most likely not be 'tournament-legal' in standard 40K games.

The upside to their inclusion in Apoc. is that it lends more credence to the rumor that the second chaos codex (rumored to be called "Agents of Chaos" ) will include 40k rules for them.

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Boss Salvage — GMT

Posted By Schepp himself on 07/31/2007 10:29 AM

P.S. Anyone got prices for the book itself?

$50 AFAIK, and templates are $22 (vortex is a seperate $10).

- Salvage

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Playa — GMT

Hey,

Just a reminder that LatD isn't a Codex list.
It's an EoT expansion list.
A new Chaos Codex won't change this.
That necessarily means LatD's 'legal' status is unchanged.
"Tourney Legal' qualifications are whatever the organizers say they are.
If they say "No Ultramarines", then Ultramarines are illegal.
It needn't have anything to do with official rules elsewhere.

Playa

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winterman — GMT

Problem is half the stuff in LatD references the chaos dex. Not sure it will work to well with the new dex as a reference (the fact that GW has stated its not allowed for GT play not withstanding).

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NinjaRay — GMT

Frickin' Sweet!!!! APOC looks to be the bomb. Although most my armies are at the 1500 to 2000 point level, this sounds cool enough to buy new stuff. Who would have thought, I'd be interested in new GW stuff.

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NinjaRay — GMT

Here is a link to a Data Sheet for the Brass Scorpion
http://www.dakkadakka.com/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/6/postid/177899/view/topic/Default.aspx

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Dead Horse — GMT

Linked for the lazy:
www.dakkadakka.com/Forums/tabid/56/forumid/6/postid/177899/view/topic/Default.aspx

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Drake_Marcus — GMT

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 07/31/2007 8:21 AM
I believe it is a broad surface of paper, possibly with information on it. Hence 'data' but on a 'sheet'.

I may be wrong however.

mmmm classic Kyoto.

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gorgon — GMT

Posted By winterman on 07/31/2007 3:30 PM
Problem is half the stuff in LatD references the chaos dex. Not sure it will work to well with the new dex as a reference (the fact that GW has stated its not allowed for GT play not withstanding).

Yeah, this is nothing but some table scraps from GW. LatD will be completely dead in the water soon enough, and all signs point to the second Chaos codex being daemons only. Because all the daemon miniatures sales to WFB and 40K players must mean they really like daemons, and not the power level of Daemonic Legion and daemonbomb armies.

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Jester — GMT

I can honestly say that I haven't lost to a Daemonbomb army.

Today.

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Ozymandias — GMT

I haven't lost to a Daemonbomb army, Nidzilla, or Mech Eldar with my Dark Angels.

Of course, I've never played against any of them either...

Ozymandias, King of Kings

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Playa — GMT

Hey,

Let's review the Chaos LatD Units affected by the upcoming Codex.
We can try and decide whether any are less balanced than before, or merit 'consent':

HQ
Sorcerer/ Lt.
We will still have Sorcerers. A Lt will be a Sorcerer with no Psi.
We'll be limited to the weapons options for the Sorcerer, though.
I don't see where the new option could be considered unbalanced.
Especially considering the new costs . . .

Champs
We'll still have Champs too, but gear options will be pretty slim.
This means they'll be toned-down and shouldn't require permission.

Greater Daemon
GDs will still be in there. Such as they are.
Again, so weak now they won't need permission.

Elites
Possessed
Still in. Still nerfed.

Daemons
Elite Daemons are still in.
Only Nurglings got hosed.

Troops
No more Lesser Spawn. Pity.

Fast Attack
N/A

Heavy Support
Defiler
Brutally nerfed.

Allied HQs
Lord, Sorcerer and GD
Same ol', same ol' afaict.

Allied Elites
We're trading Obliterators for Dreads in the new Codex.
No opponent's going to miss seeing Obliterators in LatD armies.

The two Allied Troops choices are a safe bet since they're all pretty tame.
(Cult Troops Units would still be counted as Allied Elites in the lists.)

The one Fast Attack choice just can't be Spawn. Bikes/ Raptors are still okay.

Since everything else is an IG or exclusively Lost Unit, we're good.

Except for losing the Legion rules since Legions are gone (thanks, Gav).

As far as I can see, there's no reason to doubt LatD lists are still viable.
Unless you're a LatD player . . .

Playa

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thehod — GMT

I think i will wait for the book to come out before I comment on the content.

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winterman — GMT

Let's review the Chaos LatD Units affected by the upcoming Codex.

You are forgeting that the entries for Aspiring Champs, Agitators and Mutant boss reference the soon to be non-existent chaos armory. There no way to know what gear they can take. Also, remains to be seen whether 'daemonic packs' will be what daemons are called in the new dex (probably called something different but could be wrong). Not to mention daemonic beasts are gone totally as an FA slot.

No, LatD as we know them now are history come September, much the same way as cadians and USF went away when the new IG and Eldar dex was released. That is, unless a new list is coming in a codex or WD.

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Ozymandias — GMT

Posted By winterman on 08/03/2007 1:09 AM

Let's review the Chaos LatD Units affected by the upcoming Codex.

You are forgeting that the entries for Aspiring Champs, Agitators and Mutant boss reference the soon to be non-existent chaos armory. There no way to know what gear they can take. Also, remains to be seen whether 'daemonic packs' will be what daemons are called in the new dex (probably called something different but could be wrong). Not to mention daemonic beasts are gone totally as an FA slot.

No, LatD as we know them now are history come September, much the same way as cadians and USF went away when the new IG and Eldar dex was released. That is, unless a new list is coming in a codex or WD.

But its not something that a page or two in WD or online couldn't fix. Hell they did that for DA/BA when the new 4th ed C:SM book came out and changed the options that the fomer two codices referenced.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

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Playa — GMT

Hey,

"Aspiring Champs, Agitators and Mutant boss reference the soon to be non-existent chaos armory"

JJ suggested LatD reference the old Dex at GD Baltimore.
Otherwise, the referenced gear will simply be unavailable.

"LatD as we know them now are history come September"

Thank goodness they'll be back in October.
They're specifically listed as a force in 40k:Apocalypse.

Playa

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

Posted By Playa on 08/03/2007 7:13 PM
Thank goodness they'll be back in October.

Perhaps you missed the 'as we know them' part of his statement?

BYE

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Playa — GMT

Hey, "Perhaps you missed the 'as we know them' part of his statement?" No. I 'know them' by the models I own. Statements don't change that. Playa

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the_trooper — GMT

Posted By Playa on 08/03/2007 7:13 PM
Hey,

"Aspiring Champs, Agitators and Mutant boss reference the soon to be non-existent chaos armory"

JJ suggested LatD reference the old Dex at GD Baltimore.
Otherwise, the referenced gear will simply be unavailable.

"LatD as we know them now are history come September"

Thank goodness they'll be back in October.
They're specifically listed as a force in 40k:Apocalypse.

Playa

Then JJ is a dirty liar.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/chaosspacemarines/gaming/lostdamned_list/default.htm

So maybe a horde or mutants or 3. Its nice to see they are completely ripping them out of normal 40k. It was just a phase apparently. There is no such thing as cults or traitors... I mean when chaos manifests it is ONLY a big generic daemons not attached to any god and marines. Also, imperial marines are essentially traitors waiting to happen because of course the eye of terror would never keep 10,000 year old marines around.

Sorry about the rant, I just finished a squad of (FW) traitors last night and then just read that link.

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widderslainte — GMT

Posted By the_trooper on 08/07/2007 12:02 PM

Then JJ is a dirty liar.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/chaosspacemarines/gaming/lostdamned_list/default.htm

That's sad, especially when ForgeWorld is putting out such cool traitor models. Doubly so, since anyone couple copy/paste some sections from the old and new CSM codexes and make it fully functional in an afternoon. Heck, I'm tempted to do that for my own use.

Aside from the horde of mutants with powerfist AC/bosses, did it every get much Tournament use?

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Moopy — GMT

I think I asked this in another thread, but with armies bringing tons of tanks and everything turning into a huge template fest, why would you want to bring a lot of infantry to this? LoTD mutants and what not get hit pretty bad.