And whats with all this combat squad nonsense? Way to make a razorback a useless transport option...

I don't understand why they repeat everything, why have a simplified pointless unit list, and then in part two have exactly the same information but with proper options? Its a total waste of time and effort.

What does the babyish list in part one tell you? Nothing thats helpful at all. Just the basic stat line, no points costs at all, and half of the wargear that are options...

How does needless duplication "streamline" 40k?

This is why I rarely play 40k anymore. Why oh why are GW taking this ridiculous route in Game development? If it wasn't for the variant army lists from forgeworld I probably would have stopped my interest in 40k years ago.

The one big problem is that anytime you play a game with Escalation the unit can't deploy on the table (as it has a dedicated transport) and a unit that starts in Reserve cannot be split into combat squads (for some strange reason).

That means you have to have your one big 10 man squad now walk onto the table alongside the Razorback they can't fit in. Basically Escalation really puts a damper on this idea.

Posted By keichi246 on 08/02/2007 7:30 AM
Re: Why Scouts are elites

Short form: Scouts are elites because too many people used 2 small scout squads fill their troops choices and then packed the list with everything else. This offended the sensabilities of the GW game designers - who felt that they had already made the Tactical marines some of the best basic troops in the game. You have to admit - using only two scout squads for your basic rank and file troops *is* pretty "unfluffy". Call it part of the Designer's goal to make the codex make the armies look more like the way they "should" look on the field.

Fluff reason:
Scouts are not supposed to be the primary fighting force of the chapter. Tactical marines are. The Elites slot is not only to represent the quality of troops, it is also there to represent relative rarity. Since Scouts make up about 10% of a chapter - as do Terminators, they should have similar "rarity".

I applaud your efforts.  Of course the same thing could be done by making tac squads 2+, the way IG platoons are 1+ but I digress...

The whole format sucks, but apparently it is what Jervis' child likes.  I am convinced we are referring to the child he sees in the mirror every morning, or who he placates with the binky and blanky in his desk drawer after every meeting.

Yeh, assault marines are the primary troops of BA. Nice to have the download tho to put in a binder and helps to cut back on opponents whining of inconsitancies and cries of cheese. C-squads blow like no other and still remain the worst idea with this rewrite.

  I don't see it as any worse than the Scout Squads as troops choices in the Space Marine Codex.  Hell, a codex chapter (generally) has a lot more Assault Marines than scouts anyway.  8 squads in the battle companies, plus ten in the 8th company. 

  Assault Marines as Troops allows Blood Angels players to field an 8th Co. army if they want, just as Scouts as Troops allows an Ultramarines player to field a 10th Co. army.  No big deal. 

you missed the point. reread that please. scouts aren't an elite unit, but they are "rarer" in full space marine companies, so just like other "rarer choices" scouts have been added to elite chart to limit their usage that is all.

10th company is also a reserve company and in history has never been fully deployed as a scout only army.... this company is always on the ready to replace fallen scouts and even replace veterans when the scouts have had enough experience ..

The wargear options for the various HQ entries could have been handled much better for both Blood Angels and Dark Angels.

  I remember a batrep about a decade back with the entire Ultramarines 10th Co. deploying via Thunderhawk Gunships.  Can't quite recall who they were fighting against, though... 

And, HBMC, I'd fight your 9th company army.  Mind you, I don't think it would be very fun for you, standing and shooting every turn, and it might be desirable to increase the points cost on those devastators somehow (if a "balanced game" is what you're after).