Posted By Orlanth on 09/03/2007 1:23 PM
 pay their staff a reasonable wage.

Posted By Orlanth on 09/03/2007 1:23 PM
Grot: "They have thier own sweatshops to worry about poking a stick in someone elses eye."

I am quick to rib GW when they deserve it, but Citadel have a good safety record and pay their staff a reasonable wage. Also they have NOT outsourced their manufacturing to sweatshops abroad, they deserve some credit for that.

Printing is outsourced to China because of the cost of book quality paper in ther UK. Even so typesetting for the work is done in the UK studio and White Dwarf is printed here on recycled paper.

Posted By beef on 09/04/2007 1:58 AM

Posted By Orlanth on 09/03/2007 1:23 PM
 pay their staff a reasonable wage.

 

 

This made me laugh.  Decent pay my arse

Posted By Broon on 09/05/2007 3:16 PM

Posted By beef on 09/04/2007 1:58 AM

Posted By Orlanth on 09/03/2007 1:23 PM
 pay their staff a reasonable wage.

 

 

This made me laugh.  Decent pay my arse

In comparison to the wages paid in the Chinese garment / toy / etc / etc industries, GW wages are very decent.

Posted By jfrazell on 09/05/2007 9:14 AM
China is a communist dictatorship. Why on earth are you apologizing?

Posted By Orlanth on 09/06/2007 4:54 AM
Nah its still communist.

However they are smart communists who realised that Marx was wrong. You can build successful socialism if you realise capitalism isnt the enemy of communism. Quite the opposite in fact, capitalism thrives in communism countries with limited free markets as they dont hae to deal wioth a labour movement or high service prices. The middle class powerbase is the enemy of communism.

Posted By Salvation122 on 09/05/2007 10:03 PM

Posted By jfrazell on 09/05/2007 9:14 AM
China is a communist dictatorship. Why on earth are you apologizing?

China's not really communist anymore.

Generally not one to nitpick, but you gotta work the poli-sci degree every once in a while.

Posted By PenguinDude on 09/07/2007 12:40 PM
How would you know, its not like you're there.

Citadel stuff is overpriced, but the manufacturing is still ethical.

2) Even given that, the definitions of class in different countries varies incredibly.  In the US, even the working poor often own their homes and a car for every working adult.  In India the middle class often have domestic servants.  In Western Europe, nobody needs to worry about health care or education.  In Asia or Africa, the middle class might not even have electricity or running water.

Posted By General Hobbs on 09/07/2007 11:19 PM

2) Even given that, the definitions of class in different countries varies incredibly.  In the US, even the working poor often own their homes and a car for every working adult.  In India the middle class often have domestic servants.  In Western Europe, nobody needs to worry about health care or education.  In Asia or Africa, the middle class might not even have electricity or running water.

Lol....worry about health care....Sure, if having to wait months if not years for services that I can get tommorow means not worrying.  The rich can still opt out to goto a private hospital ( at least in England) but the poor get screwed.

Posted By General Hobbs on 09/07/2007 11:13 PM

Citadel stuff is overpriced, but the manufacturing is still ethical.

Overpriced in relation to what? Other companies? I've posted numerous times with warmachine and reaper figs and have proven you often get a better deal with Citadel.

Does overpriced mean in relation to what you can afford?

I can't afford a corvette, it doesn't mean the car is overrpriced. I don't go on car forums but I'm sure you don't see car aficionadoes whining on car boards about corvette prices.

Please tell me what the figures should be priced, and how GW will cover its overhead at lower prices? Bear in mind that while lower prices might mean more sales, it also means higher production costs.

Posted By pnweerar on 09/04/2007 1:29 AM
I don't think an ad campaign that condemns 1 billion people for the actions of unscrupulous businesses, is any way fair.

Not all factories in China / Asia put arsenic in their clothing.

Not all people working in China / Asia are slaves.

This is national stereotyping.

Posted By pnweerar on 09/04/2007 1:29 AM
I don't think an ad campaign that condemns 1 billion people for the actions of unscrupulous businesses, is any way fair.

Not all factories in China / Asia put arsenic in their clothing.

Not all people working in China / Asia are slaves.

This is national stereotyping.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention. Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved. Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order. As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react. As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable. By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world. If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut. Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange..... We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you. Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries. Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy. Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War. Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live. Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention.

Love seeing that one trotted out.

 

Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved.

Actually the reason the war ended so quickly was that everyone in the West moved thier timetables up as the Eastern front collapsed.

Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order.

Or America could have been remained locked in it's prewar duldrums incapable of breaking free from the Depression and becoming the industrial superpower it was at it's hieght. The war was a godsend to the American economy.

 As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react.

Like we should thank god the Soviets did not do. As well the Cold war is notable in that war was not ever declared.

As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

There is no resonable evidence that this was the case. There isn't even unreasonable evidence of such.  Also what are you talking about (stormed the beaches)? Do you know what you are talking about? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable.

I presume you mean every nation in the new world. Hubris is the best word to describe that sentence.

By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world.

Yes your ability to beat up thrid world nations is duly noted. Vietnam is generally regarded as a loss, and Iraq is headed that way, for fairness sake. As well your casualty rates in wars against first world nations have always been a fairly even exchange.

If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut.

Freedoms were curtailed, your consitituion spat upon and you consider that a hang nail. The damage done on 9/11 was insiginifcant to the subsequent damage your government to your own nation did following it. The terrorsits won. It is no longer business as usual.

Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange.....

You blew up the structures the Soviets missed. Medals all round. Now that you've finished breaking it can you fix it. And while your at it please quit killing your allies. It makes it really hard for us to want to work with you.

We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

Ooooh maturity. I like that.

But for the record, Taliban still there? Yup.

Bin Laden still kicking? Yup.

Still you missed the original target because your boss, he no think to straight.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you.

I rather doubt it. Unless they do something polite in which case I will respond in kind.

Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries.

Since the only time my nation has been threatened it was the Americans, I'll pass.

Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy.

Yeah about that.

ENRON, Worldcom, subprime mortages. Yep. Love that stability.

Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War.

WE got ours back when you invaded us 30 years later.

Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live.

Proving once and for all why every nation around the world should love Americans with your attitude.

Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

I realllllly hate that attitude. In many ways I have have met very few Americans I have truly disliked, but there is a stream in American thinking that everyone should bow before them and I loathe those who proclaim it.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

 So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Posted By Angron on 09/12/2007 8:02 AM

And here I didn't quite know why I hate people like you so much.... thank you for reinforcing that feeling. China is not a super power, China is the Mexico of the far east. Sure, they have a billion people economy, but the majority of that economy is so poor they can't even afford proper toothpaste. The EU can't do anything because the EU lacks the power to collect taxes, raise an army.... the EU is as bad as the Articles of Confederation in the United States was. I am surprised that Europeans aren't more greatful to the United States, considering the fact that the only reason all of you aren't speaking German right now and that you have seperate countries is because of the United States intervention. Sure, there are those who state that the United States didn't contribute to the war effort because the war ended so quickly after the United States became involved. Instead, realise that the REASON the war ended so quickly was BECAUSE the United States became involved. Furthermore, if the United States had not provided funds to all of the countries after the war for rebuilding, the EU would be entirely made up of third world countries. On top of that, if the United States had not been providing the Allies with weapons, food, and equipment during the war at the time when they were not involved, the Allies would have starved and been outgunned in short order. As for the Soviets during the COLD WAR, if your pitiful country was at war with a country, and that country parked nuclear missiles close enough to your country for no other purpose than to fire them at your country, you might think to react. As for the Cuban Missile Crisis, the United States intervention into that matter actually prevented nuclear war. As the forces stormed the beaches, the missiles were already set up, aimed, and preparing to be FIRED. If the United States had not stormed Cuba, the missiles WOULD HAVE been fired.

The United States of America (not America, as that includes every country in the western world) IS untouchable. By this I am not saying that some idiot with a bomb can't kill several of us, heck, we have people over here who do that anyway. I am saying that if someone ever dares to attack us, they're dead. Take a look at the death tolls of our enemies in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq..... we're a lot better at killing people than the rest of the world. If 9/11 (which by the way you are a complete and total jacka** for mentioning negatively the day after and I only hope that you never have to experience your family members dying so that you can remain the arrogant a**hole that you make yourself appear to be) *damaged* the United States of America at all, it would be considered a scratch, a hang nail, a paper cut. Look at what we did to Afghanistan in exchange..... We make it simple, you attack us, prepare for not only you, not only your family, not only your city, but your entire country to die. Would you take a swing at someone holding a gun to your head? I think not. Afghanistan did and we pulled the trigger.

So the next time you ungrateful little hippies see an American, tell them thank you. Thank you for saving your pitiful little countries. Thank you for providing the world with a stable economy. Thank you for kicking your scrawny little A** during the Revolutionary War. Because if the United States was not the super power "bully" that it is, you'd all be dead right now, while we would be on our side of the ocean, surrounded by a REAL ocean, not a scrawny little lake. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died so that little worthless pieces of ****  like you can live. Thousands of Americans are still fighting and dying for that same reason. So if you can't stand behind the troops who are fighting to protect your life.... then by all means, stand infront of them.

Posted By Meep357 on 09/13/2007 4:24 AM

..... this is the most stupid idiotic thing I've seen on the internet.  It's a shame that you evolved far enough to develop language skills.

I'm reminded of a saying "Never argue with anyone on the internet; (I won't finish the rest ... I don't want to be banned .... but you all know how it goes)."

Posted By Triggerbaby on 09/13/2007 11:52 AM

I have formed an image of you in my mind, Angron.

A vile, ignorant, hateful redneck who lives in frakking third-world hick heckhole that consists of a church and a Dairy Queen that prints Bible verses on the cash register receipts.

Posted By Green Angel on 09/13/2007 8:46 PM

 

A true story....some nato officers were having a meeting, and some of the French officers were complaining that everything was being done in English at the request of the Americans. A British official pointed out that if it wasn't for America, the meeting would be in German.