http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/13260

It's easy to read too much into this development, but it's obvious they hit a speed bump.  Following this into other forums is interesting.  You have the whole gamut of fan reation to this.

Not care?  I think smart people care about this stuff....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJT20WxfHss&mode=related&search=

Okay, maybe not smart people, but  people that drive pickups certainly care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_622w_ttiU

On one hand I want to bait you, but for your insolence, I'll go a little slower.

WARHAMMER AS A TABLETOP GAME IS COOL, WARHAMMER AS AN MMO IT IS GOING TO SUCK

1. How is it an odd statement when the game has been announced at least five years ago, and now when it is supposedly nearing BETA, we get to hear more delays? The damn games almost ready to come out, what did you expect?

2. How is it odd when I HAVE seen the game, watched it played, and didn't get a rise out of it? Get a sword, start hacking!!!

3. How is it odd when I have the experience with these games and a number of different connections to discuss MMO's? I play these sorts of games all of the time, I get the test versions, go beta them, and tell people what I think about them.

4. The graphics are too dark and gave me a headache. THEY SUCK. You want to compair them to graphics that are worth watching? There are a number of games whose graphics easily kill this game in theme and look. Guild Wars, City of Heros,  Hellgate: London all are examples that come to mind without thinking hard.

WOW is a craze. The appeal is that it is a expanded world with a hell of alot of people in it. It's easy, and you can easily do alot of things that you can't in other games. The biggest hook is the already established world. with three Strategy games behind it, it didn't take much. how many million did it boast again? BUT it just as easily doesn't take much to run people off if something better comes along. Hence, I say WOW craze. Already, the rats are leaving the sinking ship. O course new ones are taking thier place, so it doesn't really matter now. does it? People come, even if its just for a day or two they still have to pay to get in, so Blizzard makes money if people stay or not, and if you are not in with what everyone else is doing, you arn't with the cool kidz, now are you?

On the flip side, though, it doesn't take much to shift the masses to the next best thing. There is an established community of MMO players, they go where the action is. If a game sucks, it dies a quick death. There are alot of players, even though my playing isn't as hard core as some. MMO's follow the same formula. The piggly wigglys in the crowd tell by word of mouth if its worth staying or rolling.

I've played over 20 of them, they arn't very different aside from controls, the thing to kill, and the reward. CLINK, GP's, CREDITS, INFAMY, INFLUENCE, $$$. GOLD, GP's, SILVER, bobby pins, whatever. You go kill something, get something, see your guy or girl get better, so you can kill other things bigger or more dangerous. After a few hundered thousand kills, I think I'm pretty good at it, and I feel that it gives me a good leg to stand on as far as saying if a game is going to suck or not. I play FPS's, Strategy, MMO's, old school, etc. I play my share, and as of now, it has to be pretty impressive to knock my socks off.

Oh, wait did i mention you get to MAKE stuff? WOOHOO!! Crafting, or what I like to call it,  Scrapping, is supposed to be the mini game within the game sort of thing. another faulty throwback that outlives the fireworks.

As for ahead of the curb? no, its not. Its a fantasy MMO thats going to have more PVP influenced play then other games, wow, ok. PVP in most games piddles away, and usually goes to the one who wants to spend the most time PWNING n00bs. Skill has little to do with MMORPG PVP and more to do with wasted time on the computer and statistical analysis.

Had Warhammer Online came out earlier, it would now have a large enough fan base that wouldn't have to compete with all the other up and comers.

As a matter of fact here is some of the competition that WAR has to go up against-

Lord of the Rings Online

Tabula Rasa

City of Heros/ Villians

Exsteel

S.W.G

Stargate

Star Trek

Hellgate: London

Halo3

Quake

Pirates of the burning sea

Plantside

Guildwars

Fallout

as well as any number of henz 57 five and dime companies that come out with MMO's each and every month. Then of course i haven't even started in on the other computer games.

As for kill WOW, no. its just another fantasy game. There are already enough fantasy games out there that WAR is just going to be another of a long line of kill the evil goblin horde, get a million gold crap thats out there, and pay to say you are a flagellent. Unless Im going to be able to craft me a boltgun, or bash my own head in with a chain I don't see anything thats going to make me change my opinion.

MMO's are not that special when you test them almost as much as a second job.

Oh, and for everyone else...

Go ahead and judge for yourself. Three different games, same theme. Kill stuff for gold Woohoo!!!

http://www.warhammeronline.com/

http://www.ageofconan.com/

http://www.guildwars.com/

As for the dark graphics - did you see the game before or after the new lighting effects were added?  I've seen the before/after shots and the change was, simply put, dramatic.  Before the visuals were lacking, dark and dull.  After the same scenes were looking vibrant and alive while still maintaining that dark, gritty feel that works for the warhammer universe.

Overall I'm trying to stay optimistic without getting my hopes up on this one.  WoW's got alot of appeal, but it's also got its fair share of problems.  If WAR can manage to capture enough of the high points, fix enough of the issues, and bring some unique and fun elements all on its own I think it could really make for a lasting bit of recreation.

Posted By Ahtman on 10/11/2007 9:10 PM
Grot 6 apparently is the James Brown of Dakka Trolls. That post took a lot of work.

Warhammer isn't competing with Fallout 3, Halo 3, or Quake (FPS). Some of those games listed there won't be out till 2009. Some of them are already failed titles. In the broad sense they are all competing in the same sense that it is also competing with Barbies Horse Adventure as all games are competing for your dollar. The only ones on that list that are real competition: Hellgate: London and Conan (though considering it's system requirements Conan may hamstring itself).

It's an MMORPG, it's going to follow MMORPG standards. It's like complaining that Halo, a FPS, uses a First Person perspective and that nobody is going to buy it because it's just like all the other FPS's becuase they share a common trait among FPS's. By that same logic no one would ever buy a fantasy book after Lord Of the Rings.  You already read a book with elves and a quest, you never need to read another one.

It's not unusual at all that it did nothing for you. For example, unlike you, when I see a pink floral bouquet it does nothing for me. It's all preference. No one is expected to like every game and it's ok not to like it. But here's the skinny: you not liking something doesn't have anything to do with whether something is good or not, or whether it will succeed or not. You just don't like MMORPG's, I gather that since you say you hate pretty much all the earmarks of them, and again, thats ok. Just don't play them. Warhammer Online is the buzz favorite to give Warcraft a bit of a run. It won't match it, WoW is to much in the social fabric, but it will pull a lot away from it and get other players enough to be #2. This is in the realm of monthly fee online rpgs. Guild Wars, and the other shallower, but free, and fun, games are different.

To summarize:

So, we fall back on namecalling, then? OK, then if Im James Brown, your Rick James's Bitch.

What part of play these all the time don't you understand? What part of SEEN IT, WAN"T IMPRESSED don't you understand?

Its easy to throw a bull*gak* insult up and expect that you think your clever, but your not doing much of either this time around.

Your argument degenerated when you started typing. Not only isn't it anything to bother commenting on, it only shows that you don't know anything about online gaming other then you maybe played one once. Want to see what this game really is?

http://www.darkageofcamelot.com

Same look, same game, different name. As for the other fishhead reply. WTF ever.

You already say the same thing I do, then you act like its your idea. Of course you're too worried about being clever to really go read what I said, let me explain it a little MORE simply.

You are going to have to choose what type of computer game your going to play. Not only between MMO's, genius, ALL OF THEM. The bucks riding on computer games might not be much to a rockstar like yourself, but to the rest of us average wage slaves, you don't get to play them all, so obviously your going to pick the ones that you play.

But then of course, maybe your the type of goob to play three or four at the same time, as i get the impression from your half-assed post. You say that the ones I mentioned are failed titles? oh yeah? which ones are those, by the way? 

Go back and read what I wrote, *fudge*sticks. Do something better then just use it as an excuse to give someone *gak*.

Then you go on and on like you know anything about this game in the first place. STFU, go over to thier website and do your homework before you enter the conversation.

As a matter of fact, here it is for you.

http://www.warhammeronline.com

Even with what little there is, it is just another fantasy game.

You and others can think it "silly", but this game has been a money pit for GW. They've sunk a great deal of resources into it, through this developer and others they had to pull the plug for.

I wouldnt be so smug about that statement.

Video game production doesn't work like that.

Posted By AgeOfEgos on 10/14/2007 5:59 PM

Diablo 2 went gold with a price tag of around 5 mil after 3-4 years production and quite a few artists on board.

I think comparing 1-2 years of early design/concept to five years of design/polish/server setup of the rabid fans of Blizzard/WOW is extreme.

I'm curious though, who was the first development team?

Keep it coming with those names, Rick James's toy.

Thats the refuge of the scorned to fall back on something out in left field rather then talk about the issue. Good job, by the way at saying absolutly nothing.

Oh, Malfred, go over to the site and keep an eye on it. don't cry too loud, just because it has warhammer stamped all over it.I don't get tied down to games on the computer. play a few and you'll see why. Computer games are not as personal as table top, and I put them up and deleat them almost weekly. Go sign up for the betas as well, maybe you might learn something. I already posted that I play them alot, so i don't get trapped into them.

As for likes and dislikes, the real question is " What is the hook that will keep players playing?" If you played DAOC, you'll figure out why I'm skeptical.

here is a interview about the WAR game, and some of the so called features.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/239/setView/features/loadFeature/1496

http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/literaturedetail.php?id=65

Look about 1/2 way down the report, it's a nice bold heading, difficult to miss - right above an inset pic of a dwarf supermodel.

The bottom briefly touches on part of the reason the game is being delayed.

Any way we can bribe you into some NON-NDA-BREAKING impressions once the beta's back up and running?  Wouldn't want you to get in trouble, but I would like some vague "it's cool/not cool/fluid/etc... " kind of feedback that doesn't risk you losing your key.