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Stickbombz; WS or BS?

Blysk — GMT

Well me and my friend weren't sure whether to use BS or WS for throwing ork stickbombs. I found it kind of unlikely that throwing stickbombs would actually land on target on a 5+, but i'm not sure.

Anyone know the answer to that?

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Ghaz — GMT

What gives you the idea that you throw stikkbombs?

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Blysk — GMT

Well...they're like grenades, right? What else are you supposed to do with them?!?

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insaniak — GMT

Rulebook, pages 39 and 72 explain how grenades work in 40K.

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yakface — GMT

There are no rules in 40k for throwing grenades (outside of the Vortex grenade in apocalypse). All grenades simply have different effects in close combat.

Consult the rulebook and the Ork codex for more information (uh, yeah what Insaniak said).

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Ghaz — GMT

Well...they're like grenades, right? What else are you supposed to do with them?!?

Exactly what the rulebook says that you're supposed to do with them, which does not include 'throwing'. Don't make the mistake of trying to use 'real life' as an excuse as to why you should be able to do something in a game of 40K.

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dr vompire — GMT

you double the models strength for range, then roll to hit on BS, if you miss, krak grenades don't do anthing, frag grenades scatter using the atillery dice but never more than half the distance thrown, so try not to throw them less than 3" as their 2" blast can get ou back, refer to the wargear book for details of other grenades (hallucinogen, plasma, vortex, antiplant, psych-out, virus, smoke, choke, blind, hawire etc..)

oh no that was 2nd edition, forget all that, they just modify our initiative a bit,

look a space marine, buy it, now put it in your baneblade

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Triggerbaby — GMT

Why the heck do you people have to be such jerks? The guy asks an honest, beginners' question and you guys start making up crap as a joke. Not everybody is born with innate knowledge of the current edition of 40K rules like you elitist snobs, you know.

Anyway, apologies for the jokers above, Blysk.

Grenades count as "grenade weapons" and all have a six inch range apart for a few exceptional cases such as the Ork Supa-Stikkbomm. You use them in the shooting phase, just like any other shooting weapon, but using them means you lose your +1 attack bonus for assaulting if you assault afterwards in the assault phase. The BS versus WS question is a common confusion- you use the model's WS, but you use that number on the Ballistics Skill chart to determine if you hit. Therefore, Orks are pretty good at throwing grenades (WS4= rolling as BS4), while Tau are pretty weak (WS2 = rolling at BS2). In any case, grenades are useless against troops in cover; GW used some strange rules justification saying that when you throw grenades into cover they often bounce back at the thrower, so that's why you can't do it. Whatever. Stupid rule, but the point is that (non-vehicle) units in cover are immune to grenades.

Another thing to remember is that the (frag and krak) grenades in weapon tables are not the grenades you throw- these only apply to the Imperial Gaurd grenade launcher (confusing, I know. But this is Games Workshop). Thrown frag grenades always hit with a strength equal to the target's toughness (i.e.- they always wound on a 4+), and they don't affect vehicles. Thrown krak grenades are resolved as strength 6, AP 4 , and can affect vehicles. Ork stikkboms (apart from the supa-stikkbom) work exactly the same. Eldar Plasma grenades work like frag grenades, but they are Rending. I can't remember how Tau grenades work (can anybody help)? Despite how grenades work in the real world, you don't use templates or anything- one grenade causes one wound. If you see somebody pulling out a template for a grenade, either they're getting confused between a thrown grenade and an IG grenade launcher, or they're still using the obselete, experimental grenade rules that came out just before 40K 4th edition (which made grenades way, way too powerful).

Despite sounding powerful, grenades are not generally favoured. The only time people use them is right before an assault, but their short range means you will often end up killing the models within assault range, meaning you won't be able to assault!

Oh, and one more thing- there is currently a long-running argument over how grenades affect jump infantry. It looks like, according to RAW, jump infantry cannot be hit by frag grenades. It is considered by virtually everybody that this is just an ommision on GW's part (krak grenades work just fine!), and pretty much everybody plays that frag grenades work just fine on jump infantry. But there are a few RAW holdouts (such as Phoenix, but he's a dink), so just be aware that you may have to discuss this one with your opponent first. Search the "You Make Da Call" forum if you want to more about this.

Anyway, I hope that helps!

Cheers,

Triggerbaby

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Saldiven — GMT

Triggerbaby, can I ask what version of WH40K you're playing, because I can't find a word of what you just wrote in the V4 rule book.

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tegeus-Cromis — GMT

The explanation you're looking for can be found in the OED (my version may not be the latest, so watch out for stealth reprints), under the section "J". Not sure what the exact page and para ref is, sorry.

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Triggerbaby — GMT

You probably have the first printing of the main rulebook, where they simply left out the damn grenade rules. The rules are on page 83 of the second and subsequent printings, and I've heard they're also in that 40K Arms & Equipment guide or whatever it was called. I think there was a PDF as well, but I can't remember if it was GW US or GW UK who hosted it; it may be long gone by now.

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The Power Cosmic — GMT

Don't forget the addendum for jump troops. At the beginning of the movement phase, jump troops can throw grenades at their feet to gain an extra d6" to their movement.

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Saldiven — GMT

Well, I have the Wargear book, and it's not in there.

This is the first I've heard of a second printing of the BGB. When was it released? The local GW store didn't know anything about it (just gave them a call).

Apparently the PDF is long gone, 'cuz there's no mention of it on either GW UK or US websites.

I'm about to call shenanigans.

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Imriel — GMT

good call cause its complet crap

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Clarence — GMT

Triggerbaby, you and Saldiven nearly made me crap my pants in laughter.

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Blysk — GMT

Yah...Thanks guys. I honestly have almost been playing for like half a year now, and i'm almost up to a 1500 point army, so i don't have everything down. I'm probably going to have to looks back at this a few times, but yah.

Thanks Triggerbaby

And Dr. Vompire, thanks for that total BS you gave me back there.

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Blysk — GMT

Oh and clarence, good luck with that.

Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

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Triggerbaby — GMT

Thanks folks- You've been a wonderful audience! I'll be here all week!

Try the veal.

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dr vompire — GMT

huh, i offer you an honest answer and you call BS, those rules are not as much BS as some stuff on this forum (ie at least the were once rules, check out RT and 2nd edition archogaming fans).

damn looks like my BGB is out of date too, I went into the local GW to swap it for an up to date one, and do you know what, some redshirt cXXX had the cheek to say i was talking BS (was it you Blysk? "joke" , anway i reacted normally and have sent dog poop to Tom Kirby and would encourage anone else who has the same experience to do the same

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Vengis — GMT

Tau photon grenades are used by the Tau to kill themselves when being charged, for the greater good. This leaves the enemy open to shooting from the rest of the Tau army.

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Grignard — GMT

Posted By Phausi on 10/19/2007 2:31 PM
Tau photon grenades are used by the Tau to kill themselves when being charged, for the greater good. This leaves the enemy open to shooting from the rest of the Tau army.

:thumbs up: boom boom ching!

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Blysk — GMT

Posted By dr vompire on 10/19/2007 1:40 AM
huh, i offer you an honest answer and you call BS, those rules are not as much BS as some stuff on this forum (ie at least the were once rules, check out RT and 2nd edition archogaming fans).

damn looks like my BGB is out of date too, I went into the local GW to swap it for an up to date one, and do you know what, some redshirt cXXX had the cheek to say i was talking BS (was it you Blysk? "joke" , anway i reacted normally and have sent dog poop to Tom Kirby and would encourage anone else who has the same experience to do the same

Ohh.. I see, it was out of date. Well thanks anyways.

Stickbombz; WS or BS?

bigchris1313 — GMT

Exalt, Triggerbaby.

Stickbombz; WS or BS?

Jester — GMT

Shenanighans. Triggerbaby would never be so nice. A pod person has our precious baby boy!

I once played a game of 40k a few years ago where stikkbombs modelled on a mini counted as an extra cc weapon, but I was under the influence heavily at the time, so I may have just made it up.