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the plan is for 3 exorcist launchers, 6 heavy bolters, 4 multi-lasers, 4 plasma guns, and 2 lascannons to kill them faster than they kill me. rough riders provide some very cost effective counter charging. i'm hoping that with 10 scoring units a few will last until the end despite them being pretty fragile.


1,500:

HQ:

inquisitor lord w/ carapace armor, bolt pistol (135)
-3 warriors w/ 2 heavy bolters
-2 chirurgeons


Elites:

callidus assassin (120)


Troops:

5 stormtroopers w/2 plasma guns (155)
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

5 stormtroopers w/2 plasma guns (155)
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

Armored fist squad w/lascannon (170)
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

Armored fist squad w/lascannon (170)
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter


Fast Attack:

8 rough riders w/laser lances, veteran sergeant w/ ccw (95)

8 rough riders w/laser lances, veteran sergeant w/ ccw (95)


Heavy Support:

Exorcist (135)

Exorcist (135)

Exorcist (135)



i'm not quite happy with the HQ, but points are kinda tight. i could drop the callidus to bulk up the retinue and give it a chimera, but i like word in your ear a lot. i'm sorta torn on the stormtrooper's weapons. my feeling is that grenade launchers are better for the move and shoot, but the list seems a bit light on volume of anti-meq shooting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218380.page GMT
What will you do against opponents who run higly mobile lists? Skimmers are everywhere... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218642.page GMT SAFH make.

that depends on what's in the skimmers. my plan for holo-harlies is simply to lose as many squads as they have harlie falcons and then shoot them to death, which is how i always handle harlies. in the case of fire dragons replace squad with excorcist, which hurts more, but is still manageable unless it's a stelek style list with all fire dragons. then i likely lose as it becomes too hard to reliably glance the falcons, but i've never actually encountered mech eldar that didn't use harlies. at 1,500 3 loaded falcons is most of the army, so i think i'm ok. if i get first turn the callidus assassin likely gets me one dead falcon right off the bat.

mech tau would probably be a harder match-up since railheads are very dangerous to my exorcists. i'd have to be very careful with firing lanes in deployment. devilfish i can probably pop, and killing the firewarriors inside is no problem. the callidus helps deal with JSJ suits. the deciding factor of the game would be whether or not i could keep the railheads from blowing up my exorcists, which means spreading fire across all three to keep them shaken and waiting for some lucky hits.

i'd actually be more worried about eldar jetbikes than skimmers. bike mounted warlock body guards with fortune could reall ruin my day. i guess the best thing to do would be to castle up in a corner deploying my tanks in a ring around my infantry to screen them from assault, leaving 2" gaps to shoot through. hopefully that would buy me enough shooting time. another situation where a word in your ear could save my bacon if i got first turn. maybe i should think about finding room for a tarot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218726.page GMT
And maybe you should think about adding 1 or 2 Acolytes to your Inquisitor and arm him with a boltgun. That's the only adjustment I could think of atm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/218738.page GMT
on the retinue i'm not sure that 13 point acolytes are better buys than 10 point vet guardsmen who come with a gun. might be something i'm missing about wound allocation though. if the squad takes 2+ wounds can you give the first to the acolyte, the second to the lord, then allocate the lord's wound to the acolyte to overkill him? that doesn't quite seem kosher.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219162.page GMT
They are counter-attack units, but you have no real gunline full of bodies to protect.

Drop the PG off the stormtroops. You don't really think you'll get to drop them off your Chimera or they'll live long enough to double-tap anyone? Gl are better on stormtroops, they might do something.

At 1500 points an Assassin is questionable.

She'll be unsupported, so most armies will simply burn their CC unit on her and kill her.

All those chimeras aren't a strength either, because of the flawed rules for vehicles they will get popped on their side armor pretty much every time....and 10 is no protection.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219174.page GMT
and no, i don't ever expect to double tap plasma guns. the only time the stormtroopers would see the inside of their chimera is the last two turns for objective grabbing, same for the armored fists. the point was a bit of 24" ap2 shooting. without rough riders i'll run some armageddon sentinels and upgrade the stormies to grenade launchers.

the callidus certainly is a lot of points at 1,500. but on the other hand she can have a really big impact on the game if used well. anyway, this next list is going to be pure shooty so i'll swap her out for a more robust HQ. a psychic hood can help make up for lack of psyker assassination capability. i've lost count of the number of eldrads my callidus has bagged for my dark angels.

chimeras may be flimsy, but they're also cheap. safety in numbers. besides, unless i'm doing something horribly wrong only the side armor of a few of my vehicles should be exposed to anything with the range to hit it.


1,500:

HQ:

Inquisitor lord w/ carapace armor, psychic hood
-3 warriors w/ 3 heavy bolters
-2 chirurgeons
-2 acolytes w/ carapace armor
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter


Troops:

5 Stormtroopers w/2 grenade launcher
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

5 Stormtroopers w/2 grenade launcher
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

Armored fist squad w/lascannon
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter

Armored fist squad w/lascannon
-chimera w/ multi-laser and heavy bolter


Fast Attack:

Sentinel w/ lascannon

Sentinel w/ lascannon

Sentinel w/ lascannon


Heavy Support:

Exorcist

Exorcist

Exorcist ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219563.page GMT
I'd go with AC on those Sentinels, so you hit something. Exorcists are pretty good AT. You also have AF squads.

I guess in this revision the only tactical problem I see is, your Inq lord is really the only thing worth shooting at with anti-infantry weapons. A shooty army with only him to shoot at, is going to kill him even in his protected state. I wouldn't shoot the AF, ST, or even the Sentinels until the Inq Lord (infantry target) and Exorcists (all S7 or better anti-tank) are dead.

Your Chimeras will be annoying,but just remember to set them up FAR from your infantry formations. Use them to protect your Exorcists as much as possible, everyone blows Exorcists up as soon as they show up. And yes, I really do mean if you must sacrifice a Chimera to cut 1 lascannon shot off from your Exorcist, you should do so.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219565.page GMT

in any case, looking at my second list i think if the rough riders are out then allied marines are probably better than inducted guard. which leads to a bit of a change in direction. the original rough rider concept might work out better with an IG list anyway, and i think it would look pretty cool with the vostroyans, you know, for when i win the lottery.

new idea:

Inquisitor lord w/ carapace armor, bolt pistol
-5 warriors w/ 3 heavy bolters
-2 chirurgeons

3x inquisitor w/ bolt pistol
-3 warriors w/ 2 heavy bolters
-2 chirurgeons

2x 5 Stormtroopers w/ 2 grenade launcher

2x 6 marines w/ lascannon, plasma gun

3x landspeeder tornado

3x Exorcist



edit: huh, that looks a lot like vogel's list in another thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/206042/219649.page GMT