http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 40k for quite a while now, almost 5 years and now I would like to see if I like Warhammer. I like the miniatures and I would like to know what race is good for a starter. I don't have a real favorite of the models. I just don't like the Empire and Bretonnian Armies. Any other race I would be open to try. I'd also like to not spend too much money so I'd like an army that's more cost effective (not like guard for 40k).
Sorry if this is the wrong part of the whfb-forum for this post.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238381.page GMT WHFB (had my first set of games last weekend) and loved it. Completely different tactics and strategy involved in the game than what you use in 40k. I started a dwarf army because I love the stunties and wish they were still in 40k as squats. In terms of cost effective armies I've never looked into that myself, but maybe ogre kingdoms, because you field so few models? I find that if you just pick an army you really like you won't notice the cost as much. Where as if you pick the most cost effective currently, you may find you don't like them and in the end you waste money because you will probaby end up buying an army you do like instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238397.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238401.page GMT GW-site again the armies that I really like are: High Elves, Ogres, Hordes of Chaos, Dwaves and Wood Elves. Of those armies Ogres would be the cheapest, but at the same time probably the hardest to use properly. The most expensive would probably be Dwarves or Chaos but besides for Ogres the other armies are all about the same cost.
My other important questions are, which army is easiest to paint to a nice standard and also from a gaming standard what is a good army for beginners?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/238425.page GMT
chaos cost a ton of points but same with cash if you want deamons and the really cool units but eamons will drop in price soon

i play high elves and are cool with the new update but are hard to play will cost a little green for good units like sword masters.

wod elves are like highelves but with no armour and better arrow shooting

finally ogres in my opionare the best for you . the paint job dose not mater but they have a lot of rules
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Dwarves and Goblins both have cheap infantry available via the starter kit and online resellers.

http://www.thewarstore.com/BattleforSkullPassBits.html

I would only go Ogres if you really like the minis.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255654.page GMT

here are some example conversions
http://www.wwhfb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5421
http://www.wwhfb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5525
http://www.wwhfb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6696
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21 Warriors (20 is great for a normal fighting regiments, Dwarves are cheap enough IMHO to go 25.)

Handgunners are tricky. As a rule of thumb, missile regiments shouldn't get command (since they are mainly for combat bonuses.) The Pistols on the Champion are certainly less overall useful than an extra Handgun shot. However, I do have a friend who regularly puts command and shields on his Handgunners. Enemy units usually used to take out light units such as these are now struggling to beat these Handgunners in close combat. I still prefer 10 naked Handgunners, which two BFSP will only yield you one unit's worth of.

2 Cannons are always good.

13 Miners is an odd number. 10 Usually get the job done (sneaking up on enemy warmachines.) I have another opponent who plays with 15, and they absolutely wreck my back line when they show up.

Because Dwarves have a solid basic trooper (Warriors,) strong leadership, great mid-range shooting (Organ Gun, Handgunners,) and the best (tho expensive points wise) artillery in the game, I'd go Dwarves. Be aware they are slow and usually make for defensive (and boring) battles. If you're going to add an elite unit I'd go Ironbreakers, as it's hard to argue with a 2+ save in combat for an infantry unit. Good gaming!

Zoned
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255802.page GMT http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=12169]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255819.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/255981.page GMT GW's lovechild and all, having a great range of really nice models and the option to go with two army books. You could easily make a point&click army with them, the only trouble is: they don't have shooting (unless you take into account the chaos dwarf whatchamacallit...hellcanon?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/257315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207401/257315.page GMT