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1 - Vampire Lord - 445
- Extra Level, Master of the Black Arts (+2 Power Dice), Walking Death (+1 CR), Lord of the Dead (can increase Skeletons beyond starting size)
- Sword of Might (+1 S), Walachs Bloody Hauberk (4+/5+ Save), Enchanted Shield (+2 Save), Black Periapt (can keep a dice between magic phases)

1 - Vampire - 190
- Red Fury, Sword of Battle (+1 A), Flayed Hauberk (2+ Save)

1 - Vampire - 185
- Hunter in the Dark (Scout), Avatar of Death (Heavy Armor, Great Weapon), Talisman of the Lycni (M 9), Wristbands of Black Gold (3+ Ward vs. Shooting)

1 - Necromancer - 120
- 1 extra spell, 2 x Dispel Scrolls, Rides the Corpse Cart

14 - Skeletons - 171
- Spears, Shields, Full Command, Banner of the Dead Legion (double Unit Strength)

14 - Skeletons - 157
- Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Command, War Banner

18 - Ghouls - 152
- Ghast

6 - Dire Wolves - 48

6 - Dire Wolves - 48

6 - Black Knights - 253
Full Command, Banner of the Barrows, Barding

1 - Corpse Cart - 100
- Unholy Lodestone

2 - Spirit Host - 130

Basic premise is to raise the skeletons in the first couple turns, use the superior fighting power of the vampires to win any combats I chose to fight in, cover my flanks with ghouls and wolves and send the ghosts and the scouting vampire to take down enemy missile troops and warmachines. Black knights are for the flank charge or to take down other knights.

Any comments, criticism?

Ozymandias, King of Kings




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The lord can't have unfortunately have both hauberk and the enchanted shield as both of those are magical armor (yes, even if the other is a shield and the other a suit). I also seriously recommend giving both the footslogging vampires a pony as they'll often need the extra movement and a pip for armor save. The lord in particular appreciates both, altough the thrall won't benefit from the latter. Getting spirit hosts by other means than summoning the via the winds of death is kinda meh, especially when they are only 2 bases. I'd rather take some more hitty support such as Varghulf. I like the hatred banner on black knights better especially if you happen to join a vampire to them now and then. Good point is that the steeds will get the rerolls too. The banner of barrows should generally have the helm of commandment on a vampire as a combo to get the most out of it. Taking a bsb (upgrading the second thrall for that) is a very good option, as the 25 pts will give you 2 very good abilites.
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Alpharius: I liked my ghouls skirmishing. They were perfect for covering my flanks and taking on and beating light cav or other skirmishers. I also don't like the new plastic ghouls (though they'll actually rank up) but after putting my new dire wolves together, I like them and they are better than the old ones (not that that's hard).

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Ozymandias wrote:1 - Vampire - 185
- Hunter in the Dark (Scout), Avatar of Death (Heavy Armor, Great Weapon), Talisman of the Lycni (M 9), Wristbands of Black Gold (3+ Ward vs. Shooting)

Impressive LVoD build, been waiting to see what the new book could cook up. 185 points seems pretty heavy comparing against the JSoD and Alter Noble versions, but the über shooting save, fear and being a caster are all definite boosts. Scout too so he can hide, hop out, weather 1 round of fire and then ruin somebody's day.

The rest of the list strikes me as fairly slow though. Just the BK and JVoD can really reach out and hurt things, the rest slog it up and get those 2 bloated skeleton units into action, with ghouls and wolves doing their thing.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/261872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/261872.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts
Ozymandias wrote:1 - Vampire - 185
- Hunter in the Dark (Scout), Avatar of Death (Heavy Armor, Great Weapon), Talisman of the Lycni (M 9), Wristbands of Black Gold (3+ Ward vs. Shooting)

18 - Ghouls - 152
- Ghast


Interesting option the scout vampire, but you must eat one entire shooting turn before charge, and if you use ghoulkin instead hunting in the dark, so, if you join the vampire with the ghouls, you can charge on the first turn at a 26" (8" from the marching ghouls, and 18" from the Lycni's movement) and if you don't get the first turn it doen't matter because your character are shielded into the unit. You can also change the wristbands armour of night, because is a good item too, giving -3 to hit penalty when a enemy shoots you.

Ozymandias wrote:2 - Spirit Host - 130


You can only field spirit hosts on groups of 3-10 bases.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/261998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/261998.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts
RE: Scout Vampire:
I'm not too worried about one round of shooting, I can use terrain, LOS, the fact that I am a lone model to limit the amount of shots coming his way.

As for the speed, well, Skeletons are always going to be fairly slow. My list in 6th was actually pretty similar and I didn't have too much of a hard time as usually the enemy is moving forward as well. Vs. Wood Elves, Gunline Empire, and maybe Dwarves (though I'm less worried about the Dwarves), I will have some problems but that is where the Spirit Hosts, wolves, and Scouting Vampire come into play (he is fast enough to catch any Wood Elf units and will win vs all but maybe Wardancers).

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Ozymandias wrote:Would Fly be better than Scout + Talisman of Lycni? I could put him in a unit then fly out to charge 20".

Ozymandias, King of Kings


The flying has it's pros, altough with scouting you can marchblock better if you get the 1st turn.
I like this kind of guy (for harassing) at least on paper, altough he's a bit more expensive:

Vampire Pegasus Captn
lvl1, Hellsteed
P: Avatar of Death (ha+hw+s), Infinite Hatred
I: Balefire Spike, Wristbands of Black Gold
-205

flying,3+ armor and ward vs shooting, packs a good punch in combat too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/262055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/262055.page GMT Re:2,000 point Vampire Counts
Vampire Lord
2nd Level, +2 power dice, Lord of the Dead, Infinite Hatred, Walachs Bloody Hauberk, Black Periapt, Sword of Might, Power Stone
Vampire
Dark Acolyte, Lord of the Dead, Flayed Hauberk
Vampire
Scout, Avatar of Death, Talisman of the Lycni, Wristbands of Black Gold
Necromancer
+2 extra spells, Power Stone, Dispel Scroll

13 - Skeleton Warriors
HW, Shield, Full Command, Light Armor, War Banner
21 - Zombies
Standard Bearer, Musician
12 - Ghouls
Ghast
14 - Grave Guard - 223
Hand Weapon, Shield, Heavy Armor, Full Command, Banner of Dead Legion
6 - Black Knights
Heavy Armor, Shield, Lance, Barded Skeletal Steeds, Full Command
5 - Dire Wolves
4 - Fell Bats
1 - Varghulf

This list is a bit faster and I can double team the varghulf and the scouting vamp to take down units. The Skeletons and Wights hold the center with the ghouls and zombies watching my flanks. Black Knights and Wolves engage enemy light cav and missile troops with the Varghulf and Scouting Vamps take down Warmachines and other missile troops. Necro and Vamp go into Skeletons and Lord goes in to Wights.

What do you think of this list compared to the previous?

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I was trying to avoid the obvious power builds as most of my games are with my local group and not that competitive. My idea was to take a Vamp who could kick butt in cc but also be dangerous with spells.

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And now I'm just going to take a Varghulf. Will lose 1 power and dispel die, but the Varghulf is just mean.

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M.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/272108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/272108.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts
Ozymandias wrote:Ok, so I tried out the Scouting Vamp. Disappointed. With only 3 attacks he was a bit of a letdown.

And now I'm just going to take a Varghulf. Will lose 1 power and dispel die, but the Varghulf is just mean.

Ozymandias, King of Kings


The scouting vamp really needs the hatred to get through things but in that case, he hasn't points for avatar of death. Choices, choices...
And yes, Varghulf is mean.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/272235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/272235.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts CL - That was the problem, with only 3 attacks he'd have to kill 2 to win combat against anything higher US than him. That's hard. A WE or Saurus you can count on to probably stay even if they lose but a Vampire will just go pop right away.

I'll be using a Varghulf (or two) from now on.

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And wraiths can be absolutely evil, especially if the helm is anywhere nearby.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/274147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/274147.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts
Ozymandias, King of Kings]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/274440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/274440.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/286248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/286248.page GMT Re:2,000 point Vampire Counts

Vampire
super natural horror
Infinite Hatred
BSB Drakenhof Banner

Vampire Lord
Infinite Hatred
Forbidden Lore
Dark Acolyte
Helm of Commandment
Gem of blood
Flayed Hauberk
Biting Blade
Talisman of protection
Extra Magic level
MAYBE Hellsteed if you don't wont him to join the unit

Grave Guard
Senneschal
Musician
SB Banner of the Dead legion
Great wepons


This can be very flexible and can be set up to your liking but this way your Vampire and guard have S10 and WS7, your lord is a level 4 wizard and can have all the spells from any lore (except the lore of life which knd of sucks anyway) my favorite is the lore of metal or shadow also this cost about 800 points so if you are going to have anything else have skeletons or ghouls and it is always good to have a corpse cart around for the always strike rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/510942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/510942.page GMT 2,000 point Vampire Counts
Why don`t you start your own thread rather than bring back a dead one from last year? Link this thread in yours if you want to compare both armies. That way your opinion will be more interesting and fresh.

M.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/510983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/209164/510983.page GMT