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				<description><![CDATA[ Well we all know that the Iron Warriors of the Chaos Marines are the masters of siege warfare, but are there any chapters of Space Marines know for the same thing?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:54:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Imperial Fists were Seigey <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>, and by extension their sucessor chapters (of which there are a lot)m]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Imperial Fists were Seigey <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>, and by extension their sucessor chapters (of which there are a lot).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:35:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Imperial Fists were Seigey <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>, and by extension their sucessor chapters (of which there are a lot).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:38:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Wow the ever rare triple post.  Nice <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:46:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh frack. Posting on the BlackBerry in a weak signal bubble is more art than science I'm afraid. And on such a low-content post too. Whoops.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:26:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Anywho, the Dr is correct.  The Imperial Fists are the loyalist siege style chapter.  Not so sure about their successors (Black Templars as a siege chapter?!?!)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:56:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Imperial fists are actually the ones best at fortifying things. they were famed for making impenetrable fortresses, and the iron warriors were famed for being able to break any defensive fortress. kind of the unmovable object vs. the unstoppable force. <br /> <br /> each of the original legions was 100% unique and had a special are of expertise. thus the imperial fists were the other side of the iron warriors]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:27:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ There is no question about it, the Imperial Fists are the best seige chapter out there  <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 11 May 2008 04:21:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother-Sergeant Vlixle]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ best fortification chapter]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 11 May 2008 04:57:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bastirous666]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Actually, I think it's the reverse, if you read the fluff in the 4th edition Chaos 'dex, there's a section on Brigannion IV, which the Iron Warriors have heavily fortified, and both loyalist and traitor forces have been repelled again and again. Also, I belive Medrengard is supposed to be a massive fortress-world, completely impervious to planetary assault.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 11 May 2008 11:07:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ yes, but who did the emperor recall to fortify the imperial palace? not he iron warriors. he called the imperial fists as they were more of fortress builders, the phalanx is just a flying hive city fortress. not saying that they weren't great at siege craft, just that they were better at fortress building]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 11 May 2008 18:07:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bastirous666]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> for siege work? Stationing someone at such boring duty with only midrange weapons and short numbers?<br /> it's the Job of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> artillery (with help from ad mech).<br /> encircle a fortified position,unleash your big guns and<br /> wait for submission/Chance to assault. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> would <br /> infiltrate or assault (thunderhawk/droppod/teleport)if<br /> Ordered to get in .Siege is to timeconsuming with <br /> restricted ressources. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 18 May 2008 23:20:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ 1hadhq]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Iron warriors were the best at Seige making by far. The Iron warriors got really annoyed with the Emporor for not letting them make they palace. They broke down the walls and then made the Eternal Fortress. Which the Imperial fists tried to take over, they were so beaten the Legion could not fight for 19 years until it regained it strength]]></description>
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				<title>Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ No the Iron Warriors only crushed the IF so bad because they tricked Dorn into entering a trap. The eternal fortress had no command point, which Dorn searched for and instead of a base of operations they found themselves in an open space surrounded by guns. No wonder they were defeated.<br /> THe IF are too honorable to use such a tactic. And the fact that they penetrated the walls means they were quite good at seige]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:37:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That doesnt changed the fact that they were screwed over by them.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:12:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Perturabo knows his brother well and lured him into this trap.<br /> Doesn't proof anything about beeing a "siege chapter".  <img src="/s/i/a/c1f54002789bba812b7255ca0516c659.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Question alone implies a marine "chapter" , so it could only be a second founding organization.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Answer is: Space marines don't lay siege! They attack fast or stealthy, hit hard,go for the <br />                 next  target then! No siege, no garrisoning.  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> If you want to assemble a "fortress-breaker" chapter, take vanilla <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>, Vindicators,devastorsquads,dreadnoughts and terminators.Place everything as droppod/thunderhawk/teleport deployment and be with it.  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:47:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ 1hadhq]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Siege warfare has two sides. Both laying siege and holding out against a siege are part of siege warfare.<br /> If you're good at defending fortifications against prolonged attack, you're good at siege warfare.<br /> If you're good at making prolonged attacks against fortifications, you're good at siege warfare. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:55:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bob the Hobo]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ @ space-hoppo: we noticed the abitlities but this  helps not the question.<br /> I doubt, siege warfare is done today by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>,marines only acted so when organized in legions. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:22:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Space Marine Seige Chapters question?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Mostly, but Chaos always turn to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span> for seige taking over. Due to the 'no quarter' rule. However while the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> does in fact do alot of Seige. The Codex Astaties does say that they should learn how to siege. However many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> will in fact call upon a Imperial Fist to help conduct either Sieging or drfending. Escpecially if the enemy is the Iron Warriors, as even now the Imperial fists will not turn down a fight by them.]]></description>
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