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				<title>2000 Nid Warrior Heavy List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hive Tyrant (wings, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Devourer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Devourer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>, Warp Field)<br /> Warriors x 3 (Deathspitter, Rending Claws, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(32);'>EC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> I, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>)<br /> <br /> Warriors x 3 (Deathspitter, Rending Claws, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(32);'>EC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> I, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>)<br /> Warriors x 3 (Deathspitter, Rending Claws, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(32);'>EC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> I, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>)<br /> Dakka Fex (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Devourer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Devourer)<br /> <br /> Spinegaunts x 11 <br /> Spinegaunts x 11<br /> Stealers x 8<br /> Stealers x 8<br /> Stealers x 8<br /> Stealers x 8<br /> <br /> Winged Warriors x 3 (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> I, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>, Wings, Bioplasma, Rending Claws, Fleshborers)<br /> Winged Warriors x 3 (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> I, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>, Wings, Bioplasma, Rending Claws, Fleshborers)<br /> <br /> Zoanthrope x 3 (Warp Blast, Psychic Scream)<br /> Carnifex (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(34);'>ES</span>, Bonded Exoskeleton, Venom Cannon, Barbed Strangler)<br /> <br /> Love to hear your feedback!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 May 2008 20:18:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HiveJive]]></author>
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				<title>2000 Nid Warrior Heavy List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Give the walking warriors leaping and drop deathspitters and give them <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(171);'>ST</span>. Warriors with ranged weapons are terrible and deathspitters are probably the worst weapon in the codex. Give the winged warriors <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(156);'>RC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(171);'>ST</span> and don't use bioplasma, it's really bad. Because it goes before your other attacks, if it kills your opponent can just remove the model in base contact with the model and then it doesn't get the rest of its attacks. Lose the zoanthropes and get another carnifex. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 May 2008 20:44:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ PistolWraithCaine]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000 Nid Warrior Heavy List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I love the list... definitely commits to the warrior-heavy theme, and tyranid warriors are some of my favorite models out of the entire <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> line (although I think they look best w/ scything talons; I really like the look of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> warriors with talons and genestealer rending claws).  If the winged warriors are getting <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> wings, then even better.<br />  <br /> I'm sure you know what I'm going to say as far as the downside.  Warriors are overcosted and overly fragile, and that's not likely to change until the tyranids get a new codex (if then).  Those warriors are going to get shot to bits by any list with decent firepower (moreso the carapace-less winged warriors and stealers), and you have very little long-range high-strength firepower for a 2000-pt list, which will make things rough against mechanized lists or those with lots of long-range shooting.  It's hard to get around that if you want to go warrior-heavy, though; they just can't pack in much good long-range shooting or much durability for their points.<br /> <br /> It might get a bit better in 5th ed, of course.  Those spine gaunts, spread thin, seem like they might just be numerous enough that they could provide cover saves for your warriors and stealers, depending on how those rules actually shake out in the new rules.  Deathspitters will also be getting better with new blast rules.  That said, I still don't think it will be a very competitive list.<br /> <br /> I say go for it, as long as your goal here is to make a list you enjoy rather than a list that will necessarily win often (it helps if your gaming group shares the same philosophy, of course).  Put some love into modeling and painting those warriors and have an army that'll be unique and cool-looking on the tabletop.  Just don't expect it to win more than occasionally against good players with tournament-competitive lists.<br /> <br /> (Oh, and maybe reinforced chitin rather than bonded exoskeleton on the carnifex?  A bit cheaper, and I think the extra wound will come in handy more often than T7, unless you know it's going to be facing a ton of S3 or S5-8 attacks.)<br /> <br /> Edit:  I second everything PWC said if you're looking to make the list more powerful without giving up the warrior theme... I just figured you were going for looks (e.g., giving the winged warriors bioplasma and fleshborers to make them more gargoyle-like).  No matter what, though, it's going to have some problems as far as competitiveness just due to the poor cost/benefit ratio of warriors (which makes me a bit sad, given my love for the models).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 May 2008 20:55:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dire Wombat]]></author>
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				<title>2000 Nid Warrior Heavy List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Warriors w/o flying or leaping won't get into close combat<br /> Dakka fex's nice, but I think, second daka <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(154);'>HT</span> will go better. <br /> Fleshborers got only 12 range. Mostly you get as close to enemy only before charging. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>Devs</span> with 18 look better.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 May 2008 21:05:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Konstantin]]></author>
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				<title>2000 Nid Warrior Heavy List</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I like themes and play to have fun.  I am use to 25% of the board having terrain, so I can usually hide stuff pretty well in small numbers.  That is why all the squads are real small.  I have the Zoans in there specifically to take leadership away.  Turning leadership 10 into leadership 7 is a big deal.  People break much more often.  I am considering dropping a warrior squad and adding another Carnifex as another target.<br /> <br /> Again, I like to win, don't get me wrong, but I like to have fun and play goofy lists.  That is why I play Mech Ork Dread Bash as well. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 May 2008 21:37:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HiveJive]]></author>
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