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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "2000pt Chaos List up for Review"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 2000pt Chaos List up for Review 40k army - CSM for about 13 games now. after losing the first 4 I have won 8 out of the other 9 I have played so I think I'm getting used to the way the army works.

My current 1500pt List is:

DP/Wings/Lash (although I am painting up a nurgle DP as lash is overpowered and I feel gimpy using it)

5 Chosen, Lascannon, 4 Meltas, IoCG

7 PM, 2 Plasmas - Rhino

10 Beserkers, AC with Fist, Land Raider (hvy)

6 Nurgle Bikers with 2 meltas, IoN and AC with Fist

2 Obliterators

Vindicator

I want to push this list to 2k points and I already have a whole load of stuff painted up and ready.

My new 2k list follows. I would like any citicism/comments to make this competitive though not gimped.

HQ Demon Prince, MoN, Wings, (Dunno about power as I have only used lash so far and dont have book at work - any suggestions here?)

Elite 5 Chosen - Lascannon, 4 Meltas, IoCG

5 Terminators - Chainfist, Heavy Flamer, 4 Combi Plasmas (or maybe meltas?) - Deep Strike

Troops

10 CSM - IoCG, AC w/ Fist, 2 Plasmas - Rhino

7 Plague Marines, 2 Plasmas - Rhino

10 Beserkers, Ac with Fist, Landraider w/ Demon Possession (so much fun unit in past games)

Fast
6 Bikers - IoN, Ac w/ Fist, 2 Meltas

8 Raptors, Ac w/ Claws, 2 Meltas

Heavy
(Landraider from above)

2 Obliterators
Vindicator w/ DP
Predator with LC turrest and HB Sponsoons

With a little jiggery pokery this list can fit nicely into 2k. Any suggestions for this? People say 2 HQ at this level but i'm not sure it's needed in here as it's pretty elite list anyways - again, any suggestions on this?

I have lots of other chaos stuff I could slot in including 6 CC Nurgle Termies im painting up atm. More because I like painting them rather than their usefulness. Also have all different types of Havoks (4 of each weapon)

Any comments hugely appreciated

EDIT: Ack, just realised that this list is illegal due to too many Hvy support... This means i'll drop the pred (boo-hiss as I have a sweet nurgley one painted up) and have 150ish points free.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294053.page GMT 2000pt Chaos List up for Review DP, I'd suggest Rot or Warptime.

Chosen don't make sense. LC and 4 meltas? Using one means wasting the other.

10-man CSM squad is configured such that they'd be better off as Plague Marines, surely. The same points would get you 7 PMs with 2 plasmas and a PF champ.

The PM squad would benefit a lot from a champ.

The Pred would be better off with an autocannon than the TL LC. The TL LC is way too expensive on the Pred; it would be more effective to dedicate it to anti-horde instead, a capability tour army currently lacks.

As for the second HQ, the reason people like to do that is that DPs are too good not to take two of.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294062.page GMT Re:2000pt Chaos List up for Review LC with the chosen. Mis-type... I usually just have another melta.

I see what you're saying abou the generic CSM. It owuld mean painting more nurgley stuff up though... Not a dreadful thing tbh as they are quite nice to paint. I may throw two heavy weapons in there and use them as fire support for now as I have a long to do list for painting.

I can bump the PM squad to 10 and have an icon and PF champ - all painted up but currently masgic 7 with a nurgle/points thing.

I have realised I need to drop the pred anyway as there're too many Heavies in there so maybe a 2nd DP is on the cards

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294066.page GMT 2000pt Chaos List up for Review

tegeus-Cromis wrote:On the DP, I'd suggest Rot or Warptime.

Chosen don't make sense. LC and 4 meltas? Using one means wasting the other.

10-man CSM squad is configured such that they'd be better off as Plague Marines, surely. The same points would get you 7 PMs with 2 plasmas and a PF champ.

The PM squad would benefit a lot from a champ.

The Pred would be better off with an autocannon than the TL LC. The TL LC is way too expensive on the Pred; it would be more effective to dedicate it to anti-horde instead, a capability tour army currently lacks.

As for the second HQ, the reason people like to do that is that DPs are too good not to take two of.

Agree with all of that. PMs with a champ w/ PF are fine, since they have int 3 anyway, they'll hit slower than most MEQ armies in CC, so PW=better option imo.
And why did you combine meltaguns and a lascannon on one squad? You realize that though that unit will rip up tanks like soggy cardboard, there's four assault weapons and one heavy, so if you're moving them up to use their meltas on a vehicle, the Las-man will never be firing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294067.page GMT 2000pt Chaos List up for Review LR is a dedicated transport. It doesn't take up an HS slot.

As for the basic CSMs, my honest opinion is that the best use for the models is to either repaint them Nurgley and make them PMs or use them as Havocs instead. Havocs aren't really a standout HS choice, but they're still viable IMO, unlike CSMs which are basically outclassed by Cult Marines in almost any configuration.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294068.page GMT Re:2000pt Chaos List up for Review
You cannot have dedicated LRs for non-terminators I don't think... Not 100% sure however.

Im also considering dropping the temrinators as well... They are nice but it would mean I would have more points for shiney stuff. It would be nice if I could have a unit from each god as that's the way it's looking it may go. The other option would be to go for more PMs although I don't want this to turn into a PM army and would like some variety in looks.

I have never tried noise marines or 1k sons... How do they fare and what are their main uses? (I'd imagine 1k is to move into RF range and laugh at MEQ type armies?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294071.page GMT 2000pt Chaos List up for Review DP with a fair chunk of change left over.

Terminators are good, but I think you pretty much have to use them as small, DSing throwaway units or big points sink squads with Icon, 2x Reaper etc. You could try three with HF and two combis and nothing else. Some people pooh-pooh them but they always give me a headache when I face them.

Noise Marines are great (but relatively fragile) crowd control. KSons are MEq-killers, full-stop. They need babysitters, but you have those (and NMs can babysit them too).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294076.page GMT Re:2000pt Chaos List up for Review CSM i have to agree to tergeus-Cromis.

i would think about getting a rhino for the choosen, i'm using them with one which helps to get them where they're needed. 12" range on the melters isnt that much

furthermore the rhino provides some sort of cover with the smoke launcher and equipped with a havoc launcher or another bolter it can give some fire support aswell. not to mention how a combi melter might be usefull on a rhino in combination with a tank hunter squad like your choosen ^^

if you wanna keep all the units you could just dedicate the LR to the terminators and get a rhino for the berserkes

the terminators wouldn't even have to ride in the LR, but like this you keep the extra heavy tank. only problem would be that all your guys are packed in rhinos then, but while advancing they just would have to stay behind the LR. and again smoke launchers help alot (!)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294077.page GMT Re:2000pt Chaos List up for Review NMs later.

As for the LR- I wanna keep it for the Zerkers... Sometimes this unit does nothing but it is so much fun to play with... Tournies and stuff I wouldnt use it but it's my no.1 favourite thing in my army

I am just about to switch lesson (I am a teacher and slyly writing these on the wireless network at the front of the class) but after that I'll put my updated list up.

Excellent help one and all guys - really focusing me on stuff I wouldn't maybe use...

Once again, thanks again and i'll get another list up in a few]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294078.page GMT Re:2000pt Chaos List up for Review

Here's my updated and shiney List

DP, Wings, MoN, DB

5 Chosen - 5 Meltas

8 1k Sons + Sorceror with DB - Rhino

8 PM, 2 Plasmas, ac With Fist - Rhino

10 Zerkers, Ac w/ Fist, Landraider

6 Bikers, IoN, 2 Meltas, Ac w/ Fist

8 Raptors, 2 Meltas, Ac w/ Claws

Vindicator - Demonic Possession

2 Obliterators

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to fit the 2nd DP in pointswise.

Any suggestions on the new list?

Much appreciated]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294196.page GMT 2000pt Chaos List up for Review DP, i think that's an all around better buy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211908/294488.page GMT