Ztryder wrote:been playing EC for a long time, and i have always put power weapons on my champions. you say you want to take advantage of i5? then why the fist?

that champ is getting 4 pwep attacks on the charge, against a standard troop unit that is going to kill a few before they can swing, whereas the fist has to wait untill after the fact.

Ztryder wrote:noise marine champs should get the pweps sorry, leave the fist on the CSM champ, and if you are going to use that generic CSM squad for assault, drop the lazcannon.

and i think at 1000 pts, 2 oblits might be better served than the terminator unit. you get back the Anti-Armor you lost by taking out the Lazcannon. combo up your lash with oblit plasma cannons and your set.

you gain 50+ points, and those points can be put into giving your second noise marine unit sonic blasters. they are assault 2 bolters. you can fire them and charge.

for 15 more points you can get a winged DP with lash instead of that sorc.. and since you are dropping that lazcannon, youll have those points left over..

list would look like this:

DP w/lash wings

10 csm pfist champ ICoG 2x flamer
8 NM 5+ sonic blasters champ with pwep/doom siren
8 NM 8 sonic blasters

2 oblits

not positive on point total, instead of the sonic blasters in the forward NM unit, you might want a Blastmaster in the full sonic squad

Ztryder wrote:oops ICoG is IoCG (Icon of Chaos Glory) i made a typo.

when i run a full sonic blaster unit i dont take champions, because they are fearless and champ w/pwep doom siren in a noise marine unit is a 65 point model.

my CC noise marine units usually run 8 guys 3 sonic blasters and a pwep/DS champ and my fire support NM units are 8 guys 7 sonic blasters and a blast master. but the more sonic blasters you can get, the better.

sometimes ill run 2 units of 12.. champ w/pwep+DS and 11 sonic blasters. that squad can lay down some serious damage from shooting and assault.

Regwon wrote:its a good start but you need anti-tank really really badly. one lascannon is not enough.

chaos space marines arent that good comapred to what else you could get. because you need anti tank so badly i suggest you drop the whole squad and pick up some obliterators. you can have 3 for 5pts more tahn the cost of that squad (3 may be a little much but you should definately have 2). obliterators are also exellent with lash of submission.

the noise marine champion shouldnt have a powerfist because it doesnt make use of his high initiative. change it to a power weapon instead. that will save you some points if you decide to pick up 3 oblits.

your sorcerer should probably be with which ever squad is moving towards combat. never ever deepstrike a lash carrier.

you end up with a very low body count because you have a large squad of noise marines that are very expensive. they will be footslogging accross the battle field so they may never see combat before they are shot to peices. you may want to consider dropping the champion altogether and giving them all sonic blasters. you will still be able to move forward inot combat but you will also have much more effective shooting (which will do you better in the long run)

Ztryder wrote:what combi weapons are you using on the termies? plasma i hope?

power weapon on the noise champ, change the sorc to a DP with the points you save from that, i think youll need 5 more points for the wings/lash DP so drop the icon in the NM unit, they wont need it.

DP will be wayy more effective than a termie sorc, that term sorc has only 3 attacks. and is usually going to wound on a 4, where the DP will be hitting and wounding on 3s (occationally wounding on 4) with more attacks.