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				<description><![CDATA[ I've spent some time putting this list together and it has done above par during testing. Here it is<br /> <br /> Chaos Sorcerer with Mark of Slaanesh, Melta Bombs, Familiar, Wings, Warp Time, and Lash - 180<br /> <br /> Chaos Sorcerer with Mark of Slaanesh, Melta Bombs, Familiar, Steed, Warp Time, and Lash - 190<br /> <br /> 7 Plague Marines - 161<br /> <br /> 7 Plague Marines - 161<br /> <br /> Obliterator - 75<br /> <br /> Obliterator - 75<br /> <br /> Total - 842<br /> <br /> I posted this to welcome critics and fellow generals to help me find flaws in my ever Chaotic endevors. ANY comments and suggestions are welcome as I will take them to heart. <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:07:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<title>Re:850 List for a local tourny...New Rules!</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ steeds arent really that worth it for chaos characters. infact demon princes would be much better than sorcerers (and they would cost less). a prince with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, wings and lash cost 165pts and is better than a sorcerer. if you must take sorcerers dont bother giving them warp time and a familiar. it just makes them cost to much and 4 WS5 S4 attacks, even if they re-roll to hit and wound, isnt great. i also thing 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choices is 1 too many for such a small game. if you took a single demon prince you could give your plague marines some plasma guns and come champions with power fists or add another oblit.<br /> <br /> appart from that it looks pretty good.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:38:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Princes are a much better buy and can't be insta killed.  The only reason to take a sorceror is to use his force weapon which you can't use if you use warptime.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:51:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the feed back thus far. I'll tweak the list a bit. <br /> The reason behind this use of sorcerers is that while they can be instant killed they can't be targeted seperately. And having two lashes in such a small game provides great crowd control, esp. against orks and tyranids.<br /> Once again thanks for the comments, any one else?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:19:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry, but even in a 850 tourney, this will seriously underperform. Single Oblits will attract a lot of fire and die. The Sorcerers, who it looks like you are sending on independently, will DIE. If you are using Lords, give them Termie armor and stick them in a Termie squad, or just take two Slaaneshi <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> if you want Lash-users. Lash is NOT good crowd control against hordes, because chances are they'll have far too many for your tiny army to shoot down. All you'll do is pull them into assault range so those Boyz can F-Charge you.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:57:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ your using lash against hordes wrongly. you dont lash them towards you, you lash them away from you and plasma-cannon them to death. horde armies have little or no long ranged high stength shooting so your demon princes should stay safe.  while the rest of your army shoots them to peices.<br /> <br /> against other armies you change tactics. your demon princes run forward and lash things towards your army so it can be shot at and then charged by your princes. plaguemarines can take a charge better than any unit in the game and demon princes are exellent counter charge units.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:37:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ thats the way i usually use them. with lash you get a greater chance of picking your targets, both of who and when.<br /> <br /> The question I have is if the deamon princes are a better fit to the list than the sorcerers? I just feel as though the survivability of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> is alot lower than that of sorcerers because they can be targeted seperatly even when close to other units.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:16:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ at such low points its unlikely that many armies will bring enough firepower to down BOTH your demon princes before the plague marines become a real problem. it takes about 15 or so lascannon shots to kill a demon prince in cover, so theyre not going to die on turn 1, and its very unlikely that will die on turn 2. by turn 3 they should be in combat so shooting isnt an issue, and if you've picked your targets well, they should be fine there too.<br /> <br /> is sorcerers were significantly cheaper then <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> then i would probably suggest those in smaller games, but since theyre about the same cost, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> are far far better. they actually wont die as fast as you think, are faster and kill more stuff in combat.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:15:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Slaneshy lords would never work with Plague marines Bleh! <br /> But other then that how will the unit hold up agianst dread bash, termie armies or Nidzilla? Basicly I dont know if your 2 high powered weapons and melta bombs will be enouph. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:58:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Crawdadr]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've tried both Slaanesh <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DPs</span> and Sorcerers. But what are peoples opinion of Nurgle <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>Dps</span>?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:55:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ sorcerers on steed are not necessarily slower than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>. i don't know about the other gods (as i am dedicated to slaanesh  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ) but the slaanesh mount (making the model count as cavalry) gives the ability to sprint instead of shooting + a 12" attack range. <br /> so when it comes to getting into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> the sorcerer can easily outrun the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> (at least on open ground).<br /> <br /> furthermore i dont really get why everyone should take <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s. with the psi-weapons that have instant kill ability sorcerers are not as useless as everyone says, but the familliar really is a waste, as well as warptime, since you will be lashing or using the psi-weapon.<br /> with the new rules i think the sorcerer is even better as it's not that big, keeping in mind that with 5th ed the real <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LoS</span> counts(!). i don't know about your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s but i won't be able to hide mine behinde a land raider... while my sorcerer on steed can easily be hidden behind a rhino.<br /> <br /> one more thing get some nice guns for your plague marines. dropping the useless warptime on both sorcs and the familiar you should be able to get those squads 2 melters each, giving you some decent bit of firepower against tanks/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>'s.<br /> <br /> greetz <br /> sieek]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:48:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sieek]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The problem with using the force weapon is that if you use a power early in that turn than you can't ust the power of the force weapon. Thats the reasoning behind the warptime ability i believe. as you will be lashing anything you can in the shooting phase than the ability to instant kill something in the assault phase is gone. So why not use another power that increases your chances of winning in assaut?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:41:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<title>Re:850 List for a local tourny...New Rules!</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ thats why i said the warptime is wasted as stated above.<br /> still i use the sorcerer on steed and its working fine for me. 2 to 3 times lashing should be enough to completely disarrange the enemy forces in a way that suits you best. after the the sorcerer will charge (6" move + 1-6" fleet of foot + 12" attack range) across the board to kill lone heroes.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:25:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sieek]]></author>
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