Kyrolon wrote:The Eldar codex says that Farseer powers are used at the beginning of the turn.

The basic rule book says that reserves are rolled for and enter at the beginning of the movement phase.

Grignard wrote:

Kyrolon wrote:The Eldar codex says that Farseer powers are used at the beginning of the turn.

The basic rule book says that reserves are rolled for and enter at the beginning of the movement phase.

Not all farseer powers are used at the start of the turn. However, fortune IS used at the start of the turn, therefore you cannot use it if the farseer has to move on to the board. This isn't a case of "the Dakka guys saying so", as it is explicitly stated in the 'dex. This comes up frequently as I am absent minded and often forget to use fortune until I've started my movement phase. I will ask my opponent if I can still cast fortune and usually they're cool with it, however, it is perfectly reasonable to refuse that, as if you play "the rules according to hoyle", I have to use that power in movement phase.

Somnicide wrote:It should be no because of timing, right? Don't eldar things happen before the movement phase? Reserves very clearly come on during the movement phase now as opposed to just a nebulous start of the turn.

Grignard wrote:Not all farseer powers are used at the start of the turn. However, fortune IS used at the start of the turn, therefore you cannot use it if the farseer has to move on to the board. This isn't a case of "the Dakka guys saying so", as it is explicitly stated in the 'dex. This comes up frequently as I am absent minded and often forget to use fortune until I've started my movement phase. I will ask my opponent if I can still cast fortune and usually they're cool with it, however, it is perfectly reasonable to refuse that, as if you play "the rules according to hoyle", I have to use that power in movement phase.

fester wrote:

Grignard wrote:Not all farseer powers are used at the start of the turn. However, fortune IS used at the start of the turn, therefore you cannot use it if the farseer has to move on to the board. This isn't a case of "the Dakka guys saying so", as it is explicitly stated in the 'dex. This comes up frequently as I am absent minded and often forget to use fortune until I've started my movement phase. I will ask my opponent if I can still cast fortune and usually they're cool with it, however, it is perfectly reasonable to refuse that, as if you play "the rules according to hoyle", I have to use that power in movement phase.

One thing you have to realize here is that there is a huge diffrence between being allowed to skip back and redo somthing you forgot and being allowed to do somthing you should not be able to do at all.

I am usually very allowing with people forgetting stuff, I tend to do it too and ask for such leniency too, if they are cool with it then I am happy and if they say no thats part of the game I dont fret too much over it, after all I only have myself to blame

I would however in such an ocation not allow you to cast fortune from your "moved" position likewise not on a unit that has moved from out of to inside range.

Thus in short... if you suddenly realize after you have moved your farseer onto the table that you forgot to cast fortune I would not allow it... well with one possible exeption, I would actually allow the farseer to cast it on himself, after all we I think we can all agree that he will always be within range of himself.
Naturally this meens he would in extention be able to cast it on a unit he has joined "off table", it is after all allowed under the 5th edition rules.

This last part is naturally my own opinion and as far as I know not suported ither way according to the rules.