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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> The Daemons of Chaos book states that wounds caused by followers of Nurgle will add to the tally.<br /> The definition of 'follower of Nurgle' is given, but it's not specific enough.  We all know what the Nurgle daemons are, but they are not 'followers of Nurgle' because they don't have the key word 'follower of Nurgle' in their rules.  They have the phrase '...of Nurgle' in many of their titles, but they don't actually have marks or any identifying keywords.<br /> <br /> Second, what falls into the category of 'wound caused by a follower of Nurgle?' (FON)<br /> <br /> It's not a far cry to say that wounds suffered in close combat with FON models count for the Tally, but take spells for instance.  Do Nurgle spells that inflict wounds count as wounds caused by a FON?  The spell is what's causing the wounds and not the sorcerer that is a FON.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ...so what's the definition of 'follower of nurgle'? Is it a specific rule, like how certain Dark Elf units are listed as 'Khainite'?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The wording doesn't matter because it refers to something that doesn't exist.<br /> <br /> That's part of the issue.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:59:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HarveyDent]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, it's pretty badly worded and is pretty much just a copy/paste of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> book. I think it would be safe to treat any daemons of nurgle (plaguebearers, nurglings) and any models bearing the mark of Nurgle as "followers of Nurgle".<br /> <br /> As to wounds inflicted, that is a good question. Clearly any melee or ranged attacks by the model would count. I would lean towards saying magic would count, as the model is casting the spell and the spell is an instrumentality like a weapon. You don't say that the great weapon inflicted the wound, not the model, after all.<br /> <br /> Interesting twist, though. What about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(173);'>CR</span> wounds, like to daemons or undead? I would be inclined to say that these do not count, as the unit suffers it from themselves via a special rule and it is not actually inflicted by the other models.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:55:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ this is the thing - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(173);'>CR</span> wounds for instability wouldn't count because they are inflicted by RULES.  ranged attacks wouldn't count because they are wounds inflicted by weapons.  spells wouldn't count because they are wounds inflicted by spells.<br /> <br /> honestly i'm not sure if this is an issue that's come up before, or if it's addressed anywhere in the main rulebook (because i looked and couldn't find anything regarding the source of wounds).<br /> <br /> i can totally understand that close combat attacks would cause wounds from FON because that is the primary way that wounds are dealt in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span>, so the intent would seem clear.  but was the design intent here to allow ranged attacks and spells to count towards the Tally?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:09:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You're being to fine with your interpretation of causality.  At the resolution you're talking about (weapons and spells being distinct from the wielder) no creature really causes a wound; even <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> attacks rely on a hand weapon to actually do the damage.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:50:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ dogma]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i just assumed that close combat attacks would, at the very least, be able to count as 'part of the model' for the purposes of dealing a wound, otherwise there is no reason for the Tally to even exist.<br /> <br /> you're correct, however i wasn't going to take it that far.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:05:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HarveyDent]]></author>
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