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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> <br /> -Demon Prince<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MOS</span></span>,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span>,Wings.<br /> -155<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> <br /> -Terminators (10)<br /> -Champion,4 combi-meltas,4 combi-plasma,MON,2 reapers,2chainfists,powerfist.<br /> -490<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> <br /> -Plague Marines (7)<br /> -Plague Champion,power weapon,1 plasmagun.<br /> -205<br /> <br /> -Plague Marines (7)<br /> -Plague Champion,power weapon,1 plasma gun<br /> -205<br /> <br /> -Thousand Son (9)<br /> -Aspiring Sorceror,bolt of change.<br /> -269<br /> <br /> -Noise Marines (8)<br /> -7 Sonic blasters,Blastermaster.<br /> -235<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(57);'>HS</span><br /> <br /> -Obliterators (3)<br /> -225<br /> <br /> -Defiler<br /> -Twin-linked lascannon<br /> -170<br /> <br /> -Rhino(for thousand son)<br /> -35<br /> Total=2000]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Give the pleague marines fist.<br /> <br /> In such a points level,defiler die immediately...because you have...no other vehicles.<br /> <br /> And your greater demon must choose a champion to posses on...you should have several cheap champions...where are they?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> where are the points thts the real question i dont have enought for more champs i like the defiler im keeping<br /> <br /> i could always up the points to 2100<br /> <br /> <br /> or  i could get scrap the blastermaster for a champ for noise  marines and plague marines champs (no upgrades) and another terminator champ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:18:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not bad, but i recently descovered how good deamon weapons are, and if you are going a slaanesh army then try droping the greater deamon and one oblitorator to get a lord with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MOS</span></span> and then the deamon weapon blissgiver which when just one wound is roled it inflicts instant death, namtter wat. <br /> <br /> BDA]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:19:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BloodDeathAssault]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i would have to agree with blooddeathassault on this. and i also agree with tokugawa ion the defiler but if you like him, keep him]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:29:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Squig_herder]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>BloodDeathAssault wrote:</cite>Not bad, but i recently descovered how good deamon weapons are, and if you are going a slaanesh army then try droping the greater deamon and one oblitorator to get a lord with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MOS</span></span> and then the deamon weapon blissgiver which when just one wound is roled it inflicts instant death, namtter wat. <br /> <br /> BDA</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> its a shame that everything you really want to kill with blissgiver is either immune to instant death (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(128);'>TMCs</span>, Demons) or you cant wound (Wraithlord, C'Tan). demon weapons are far to overpriced and require you to take a bad <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> coice to use.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Chaos space marine 2000 points please give advice</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ i have to agree that the defiler is not a good idea with that many points on front armor 12 its not really cost effective. <br /> also get a fist on that champ it will almost always pay for its points]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:27:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Pyromaniac]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Regwon has it.  The only time you would ever want a blissgiver is against easy to would (t4 or less) high invul save models.  There are not many models that fit that bill ... most are either too tugh or at best have a 5+ invul which you can get around.  Best way to kill a character is to blast the squad they are with anyway and make them run due to casualties.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s own this department and all of its subsidaries.  Two <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s hit a squad of almost anything and it will be missing 6-9 models.<br /> <br /> Also, despite how lovey the defielr is, it only works well in multiples and even then it is still to easy to pop for most armies.  <br /> <br /> Also agree that you need the champs.  Droppign the Greater Deamon will get you points forthem.  Greater demons are really just a distraction to give the opponent something else to shoot at.   Champs with fists are the models that do the real damage from most fights.  Most fights the squad will kill two models and the champs fist will kill 2 more.  <br /> <br /> I can't really comment on much else as I play mostly basic <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> horde + Noise Marines or zerkers for punch.  I can say that I don't think blastmasters are woth it unles you are spamming <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(526);'>NM</span> squads of six.  Even then I'm not convinced, but there is something scary about 6 blastmasters on the table.  You already have the 3 oblits for anti-tank duty so losing that can easily help put a champ somewhere.  Doom sirens are pure murder on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQ</span>'s.  On average it alone will kill 3 -5 members of a 10 man squad depending on how lucky you are with how the opponent groups them, etc.<br /> <br /> Meph]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:14:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mephistoles1]]></author>
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