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Master w/ term. armor, pair of lightning claws, teleport homer

Term 3x5 w/ assault cannon x2, chainfist, storm bolters & powerfists

Tac 6x10 w/ lascannon, bolters

Dev 3x10 w/ heavy bolter x4, bolters



100+ marines should have enough staying power &

I prefer and have played enough with shooty armies to be tactically competent
This list is more static then my mech lists, but I play to the extremes (either footslogger or all mech). I'm in the middle of painting 100+ marines so I want to try them out.
I played a similar list in the last Ard Boyz and it hit hard but played
Can it compete in the Ard Boyz environment under 5th ed. or would I be better served playing with 3+ Land Raiders? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/360901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/360901.page GMT
Can you take cyclone missiles on the termis? I don't have a marine army but I think the cyclone missiles are a better option from playing against them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/360902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/360902.page GMT
You may be able to win a kill point scenario on some lucky lascannon/assault cannon shots and the fact that you have 10 man squads.

I don't see you winning the objective scenarios, however, since your opponent can stay out of range for a few turns and then make a mad dash for the objectives. You can't reliably kill vehicles nor monstrous creatures with shooting, and they will contest the objectives that you try and hold.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361169.page GMT dev's, could work better with atleast a lascannon or 2 in em, or even a plasma cannon, that way you keep the troop killing power and it can wreck a tank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361244.page GMT IT"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361279.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361309.page GMT

If you want to rebuild the list look at a techmarines and or two of them in the dev squads with four krak. This will allow you to punish MCs as you will be hitting at least three to four krak a turn from each unit plus bolter fire. I myself run one squad and have np dropping one a turn with ease.

Counter attack is a much needed item in a foot army. Your going to need something that can one reach and two assist in the kill of the unit that made it to your lines. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361436.page GMT I was tinkering with the idea of going with 3 whirlwinds and 9 attack bikes instead of the 3 devs to get some indirect templates.

@Daydream
Not really following your logic on the kill point mission. I actually thought that would be the easiest for this set-up to compete for the simple fact of 10 man marine squads you mentioned. I conceded the static nature of the gunline, but don't you think 15 terminators footslogging/deepstriking can contest at least one objective?

Mobility and counter-attack (besides the termies) is lacking here, perhaps dropping some termie squads, giving the Master some command termies, using some infiltrating veteran squads with plasma/combi-plasma might do the trick. Let me fool around with army builder to work in the attack bikes and vets. I just didn't want to reduce the model count, I feel that 100+ marines are tough in and of itself. Thanks for the feedback.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361445.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/361449.page GMT HQ
Your call here.

Elite,

2x Techmarine reroll and auspex

Troops

6x tactical squads with ten men, lascannon, plasma gun.

Fast Attack

Assault squad, Power fist, 2x flamers

Assault Squad, Power weapon, melta bombs, 2xflamers

Heavy support

2x Dev Squad, 4x Missile launchers


You could do tank hunter option for your tactical squads. This would help all around as your bolters will now be str 5 vs Armour. I would also look at the infiltrate skill so that you can thin out your rank some with out putting to many bodies on your side.

As far as the termies go, its the high STR that is going to get you not the AP. I have found that if you run the same armour it gives the enemy a hell of a lot more problems. You take away and limit roles of said enemy units.

Best of luck.



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No fists in your squads means that you really are just relying on your armor saves to win the fight. Against chaos, nids, marine assault armies like BA, etc. this just won't happen.

I think your list is quite fluffy (I remember someone brought a whole comapny of exaclty 100 marines to the last ard boys in my local store. But they kept the company structure and had 6 tac, 2 dev, 2 assault. I think they did ok, but not great) but it is really lacking in mobility and being a static gunline opens you to all of the outflanking that is going on in 5th edition. I think the main problem is that you will find it more difficult to concentrate fire with that many bodies on the board. They jsut get in the way of each other and you usually only end up being able to fire one or two units at a target.


I'm not really trying to convince you to change your mind, just want to point out the challenges I think you will face with an army like that. Either way, good luck and that many maries is always interesting to see. I know I will be hitting the table with about 70 chaos marines, 3 MC, 5 rhinos and 4 oblits.

Meph]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/362405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/362405.page GMT devs to missile launchers.

Anyone have advice on the infiltrating vets? I was going to go with meltas, but I thought that rapid-firing plasma would be enough on most rear/side armor and can double as a MEQ heavy weapon squad killer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/363234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/363234.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/364143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/364143.page GMT MEQ and the infiltrating Vets w/ plasma played effectively. However, as they were unsupported, they were unable to contest objectives in the face of enemy assaults. I thought of deep striking the termies to support them, but the reserves roll is too unpredictable. I think I came up with a solution that would work well in all 3 deployment types, but my lack of experience with this non-mech style and 5th edition missions leaves me with a nagging doubt.

Basically, I would have 100+ marines, of which about half would infiltrate. This would give me the advantage of deploying them last for strategic placements and/or use them to outflank if the need presented itself. The 50+ marines could support the fire base as a counter-attack force or deploy as a mobile contigent either infiltrating/outflanking and challenging objectives. What do you think?


Master w/ pair of lightning claws, iron halo, term. honors, frag, auspex, infiltrate
Command 1x10 w/ plasmagun x2, bp & ccw, frag, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ bp & pf
Company Champion w/ combat shield & pw

Master of Sanctity w/ plasma pistol & crozius, rosarius, frag, infiltrate
Command 1x10 w/ plasmagun x2, bp & ccw, frag, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ bp & pf
Company Champion w/ combat shield & pw

Vet 3x10 w/ plasmagun, bolters, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ combi-plasmagun

Tac 6x10 w/ lascannon, plasmagun, bolters FIREBASE

I could take away one of the tac and vet squads to get 3 whirlwinds and 3 attack bikes w/ heavy botlers to deal with hordes, but it seems that the MEQ is prevalent locally. Not that the indirect templates wouldn't be useful, but with 50 bolters infiltrating, are they necessary?
Can the HQ squads be effective enough to counter-attack for the firebase and/or contest objectives behind the vets firepower?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/367358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/367358.page GMT IMHO, marine horde armies usually do good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/367409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216863/367409.page GMT the eldrad/double lash lists will haunt you.
4 plasma cannon devs you want these. they make things go away.

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Master w/ pair of lightning claws, iron halo, term. honors, frag, auspex, infiltrate
Command 1x10 w/ plasmagun x2, bp & ccw, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ bp & pf
Company Champion w/ combat shield & pw
Standard Bearer w/ company standard

Epistolary w/ storm shield & force weapon, term. honors, FOTA, frag, infiltrate
Command 1x10 w/ plasmagun x2, bp & ccw, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ bp & pf
Company Champion w/ combat shield & pw

Vet 2x10 w/ plasmagun, bolters, infiltrate
Vet. Sarge w/ combi-plasmagun

Tac 5x10 w/ lascannon, plasmagun, bolters FIREBASE

Attack Bikes x7 w/ heavy bolters


Are the attack bikes the way to go? Sacrificing 20 marines for mobile firepower.
350 points can buy the following:
Predator Destructor x3 w/ heavy bolter sponsons
Whirlwind x3 and Scout 1x5 w/ missile launcher, sniper rifle x4
Terminators 1x8 w/ assault cannon, heavy flamer
Techmarine x2 w/ heavy bolter gun servitors x4
Dev 2x8 w/ heavy bolter x4
Vindicator x3 (drop the standard bearer)

Which would you choose to complement the lsit?
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