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				<description><![CDATA[ Well I'm running a little short on playtesting time because I'm going to be a bit busy with the weeks leading up to 'Ard Boyz. However, I came up with two lists and I'm wondering which one you guys think is better. I need your help because I really only have time to do heavy playtesting on one of the lists, not both of them. Here they are:<br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;">List 1</span><br /> <u><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></u><br /> Belial - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(433);'>SoS</span><br /> <br /> Sammael - Jetbike<br /> <br /> <u>Troops</u><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Apothecary<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, Cyclone<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, Cyclone<br /> <br /> Ravenwing Bike Squad (3 bikes) - 2x Meltas, Powerfist, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta <br /> <br /> <u>Elites</u><br /> Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - Terminator Armor, Holocaust, Psychic Hood, Emporer's Tarot, Incinerator<br /> <br /> <u>Fast Attack</u><br /> Ravenwing Bike Squad (6 bikes) - 2x Plasma Guns, Apothecary<br /> <br /> Ravenwing Bike Squad (3 bikes) - 2x Flamers, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta<br /> <br /> 2x Landspeeders - Multi-Meltas<br /> <br /> <b>Total</b>: 2500<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;">List 2</span><br /> <u><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></u><br /> Belial - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(433);'>SoS</span><br /> <br /> <u>Troops</u><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, Apothecary<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, Cyclone<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(500);'>CF</span>, Cyclone<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> Squad - 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span>, 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>THs</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> <u>Elites</u><br /> Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - Terminator Armor, Holocaust, Psychic Hood, Emporer's Tarot, Incinerator<br /> <br /> <u>Heavy Support</u><br /> Land Raider<br /> <br /> Land Raider<br /> <br /> Land Raider Crusader<br /> <br /> <b>Total</b>: 2500<br /> <br /> In this list the Land Raiders will probably sit back providing long range <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span>, while the Crusader transports the close combat squad.<br /> <br /> <br /> Let me know which list you think is better and why. Thanks.<br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i dont know anything about dark angels but the first one seems better]]></description>
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				<title>Re:'Ard Boyz Dark Angels - Help me choose a list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ They both look really solid.  If I had a choice I would go with the second list.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>av</span> 14 will be hard to kill i would pick the 2nd]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:21:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:'Ard Boyz Dark Angels - Help me choose a list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You only have three vehicles on the board and your looking to move towards the enemy. Its best that you run your first list because your lacking in vehicles to help keep your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> alive long enought to delivery your load. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span> 14 is not hard to kill. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:13:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tarval]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The inquisitor in the second should be changed to a brother captin (char) with a hood. He serves no other useful purpose.<br /> <br /> Thunder hammers in deathwing squads arent the best of ideas. You need all the storm bolters you can get.<br /> Ignoring my previous statement, belial is usually better with 2xlc]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:24:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>cypher wrote:</cite>The inquisitor in the second should be changed to a brother captin (char) with a hood. He serves no other useful purpose.<br /> <br /> Thunder hammers in deathwing squads arent the best of ideas. You need all the storm bolters you can get.<br /> Ignoring my previous statement, belial is usually better with 2xlc</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The other useful purpose is as a counter charge unit. Holocaust is invaluable against Orks and other swarm armies that try to overwhelm a termie unit. A Heavy Flamer that ignores invulnerable saves is also useful for flaming units that wipe out a termie unit in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>. <br /> <br /> I know a LD8 Psyhood isn't much, but it is better than nothing.<br /> <br /> I could have Brother Captain with the same wargear for 21 points more, but I just don't have the points to spare.<br /> <br /> I'm using models that I have so unfortunately the 6th terminator squad is stuck with being <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>. <br /> <br /> I think Deathwing need every shot they can get, which is why I give Belial a storm bolter. I know the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> squad contradicts with this thinking, but as I said I'm stuck with the models I have. <br /> <br /> <br /> So far it seems like people like the first list slightly better. Thanks for all of the responses and keep them coming. <br /> <br /> <br /> Edit:<br /> <br /> After realizing that a Brother Captain's Nemisis force weapon is a Strenght 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> (reading comprehension <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(264);'>ftw</span>), I'm seriously considering putting him in, just without the incinerator and Tarot. The only downside is obviously I would lose Tarot.<br /> <br />  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:19:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The second list looks like it would do better, cause the bikes and speeder in the first list would get gunned down before you could get close enough to fire the melta.]]></description>
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