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				<description><![CDATA[ hey all, <br /> <br /> wrote up an army list for the deffwing army that i am planning. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Warboss, Mega Armor, Cybork Body – 110<br /> Mad Dok Grotsnik – 160<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 6 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 400<br /> 5 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 355<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 8 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 490<br /> 20 Ork ‘Ard Boyz, Cybork Body, 2x Big Shoota, Nob, Power Klaw – 350<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> N/A<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates - 130<br /> <br /> let me know what you think!<br /> BLARGAG!!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's a neat concept, but what's with the random boyz squad thrown in at the end there?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:28:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>BLARGAG!!! wrote:</cite><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Warboss, Mega Armor, Cybork Body – 110<br /> Mad Dok Grotsnik – 160<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 6 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 400<br /> 5 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 355<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 8 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 490<br /> 20 Ork ‘Ard Boyz, Cybork Body, 2x Big Shoota, Nob, Power Klaw – 350<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> N/A<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates - 130<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> why not just min the boy unit and get some more meganobs  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:22:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @ Sexecutioner: that sounds like a good idea. <br /> <br /> @LucasLAD : i need the "random boyz squad" so that i have 2 troop choices so that the army is legal. <br /> <br /> thanks for the advice<br /> <br /> *EDIT* new list w/ advice taken into account....<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Warboss, Mega Armor, Cybork Body – 110<br /> Mad Dok Grotsnik – 160<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 8 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Skorcha, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 495<br /> 8 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Skorcha, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 495<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 8 Meganobz, Cybork Body, Skorcha, Battle Waggon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Armor Plates – 495<br /> 10 Ork ‘Ard Boyz, Cybork Body, Big Shoota, Nob, Power Klaw, Trukk, Red Paint, Riggers, Armor Plates – 245<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> N/A<br /> <br /> Heavy Support:<br /> N/A<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:44:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BLARGAG!!!]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Huh I kinda liked the build with the 20-strong mob more personally, but I'm the kinda dude who always planned around escalation as best he could back in 4th. <br /> <br /> Needless to say this kinda list is a pure meta call and will have the obnoxious quality of getting swept by "scrubs" who are still playing with low <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> weapons. Against a typical middling to good internet-reading player, I think you could gain a significant tactical and psychological advantage just by telling them you will be fielding Orks, getting them to bust out the canned air on their flame throwers and high <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(381);'>ROF</span> weapons, then trying to react as little as you can to the look on their face when you start deploying.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(380);'>GL</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:12:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wight_widow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Honestly, I think you should drop your Warboss in favour of Ghazkghull. Ghazkghull makes sure that your slow-moving Meganobz get into close combat (Always count as rolling a 6 for Run distance during a Waaaaagh! turn).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:42:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MinMax]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @wight_widow : what do you mean that it is a pure meta call? ive never heard that term before. i do however like the second thing that you said<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>wight_widow  wrote:</cite><br /> I think you could gain a significant tactical and psychological advantage just by telling them you will be fielding Orks, getting them to bust out the canned air on their flame throwers and high <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(381);'>ROF</span> weapons, then trying to react as little as you can to the look on their face when you start deploying.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> @MinMax: all of my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(710);'>MANZ</span> are in waggonz, so that sorta negates the need for the waaagh!. also, ghaz is really kool, but is more than 2x the points of my warboss, for only (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>) a little bit of benefit. <br /> <br /> thanks a lot!<br /> BLARGAG!!!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:59:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BLARGAG!!!]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, as in the list is a call based on what other lists people around you will be playing. <br /> <br /> I'm an M: tG player when I can convince some buddies to draft with me and I can scare up ten bucks for packs. In that trading card game, in formats based on building decks from cards that you own, usually players try to anticipate what other people will be using. The overall composition of what people will be using is usually referred to in Magic culture as the "metagame." In <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, because it is a game much more dominated by aescetics (in Magic if a card kicks behind, the art tends to grow on you) with traditionally weaker and more confusing rules, and with a higher proportion of people simply ignoring what they do not like and using various kinds of house rules the term "meta game" remains somewhat controversial. <br /> <br /> The net net of the comment is that if people are still playing with 4th edition netlists in you area, it will be very very annoying to slog your way through those las-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> and starcannon squads. With Orks as the first true 5th edition codex, and with "good" list makers preparing against their traditional swarm build, what you are doing playing this is gambling that people will come ready for swarms and cover saves, not big clanking armoured psychopaths.<br /> <br /> @everybody besides the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span>: I have no desire to derail this thread and I think a parity of posters on this site would rather see him get his comments on his list than see this degenerate into a highly typical dakka semantics fight. This is the "lists" forum not "tactics" or "you make the call". I think I've done an okay job explaining the term to him and I don't think it would be productive to dwell on it too much.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:35:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wight_widow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ thanks a lot wight_widow! that was very helpful, and i think that i understand what you are talking about. <br /> <br /> @ everyone else..... some more advice would be greatly appreciated!<br /> <br /> thanks a lot!<br /> BLARGAG!!!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:04:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BLARGAG!!!]]></author>
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