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Autarch, Eldar Jetbike, Reaper Missle Launcher - 125

Farseer, Doom - 80

Troops
6 Guardian Jetbikes, 2 Shuriken Cannons - 152

6 Guardian Jetbikes, 2 Shuriken Cannons - 152

Elites
5 Fire Dragons - 80
Waveserpent w/ shuriken cannons, shuriken cannon - 110

Heavy Support
Fire Prism, Holofields - 150

Fire Prism, Holofields - 150


Total: 999


The farseer was kind of just tossed in there - A farseer with Doom is something I definitely want in larger armies, but he feels kind of squished into this list. Thinking about it more, doubling the fire dragons to 10 men would probably be better, or perhaps including a squad of rangers. Deploying into cover near an objective and going to ground sounds like a really nice way to hold onto an objective!

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/368276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/368276.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/368291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/368291.page GMT Re:Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
What is your plan for this army? How do you see yourself expanding it?

I you are a fan of the jetbike squads, skip the Fire Dragons for now and get a retinue of Warlocks on jetbikes. Riding around casting powers and hurling spears... it'd be a blast!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369239.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list The 2500 plan for the list was like... 36 jetbikes, 2 squads of rangers for holding objectives, banshees in a WS, dragons in a WS, a wraithlord cuz I love the new model, 2 fire prisms, the autarch, a farseer on a bike [cuz Eldrad can't ride one] with some warlocks on jetbikes for his squad. I forget what all the numbers came out to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369468.page GMT Re:Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Swordbreaker wrote:I'm not 100% on this because I've never seen it done before, but can you fire the Reaper Launcher and move on the jetbike?


Yes. Though I know battle reports and the like aren't the most accurate, the new "Tale of 4 gamers" articles has a guy doing exactly this. Careful reading has also removed the "mounted" rule for bikes and weapons, meaning there's no difference between the way old chaos bikes used to have their plasmaguns "mounted" while marines held them in their hands. If you are bike infantry, you fire things a certain way. If not, you fire them a different way. A bike can move and fire heavy weapons I believe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369469.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369503.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list


Troops
6 Guardian Jetbikes, 2 Shuriken Cannons - 152

6 Guardian Jetbikes, 2 Shuriken Cannons - 152

Elites
10 Fire Dragons - 160
Waveserpent w/ shuriken cannons, shuriken cannon - 110

Heavy Support
Fire Prism, Holofields - 150

Fire Prism, Holofields - 150


Total: 999


So that's the list revised, and then in case I wanted to do the warlock idea...

wait, I can't have just warlocks, can I? I need to have a Farseer too?

so...

HQ
Farseer, Doom, Jetbike, Singing Spear - 113
3 Warlocks - Singing Spears, Jetbikes, Embolden, Destructor x2 169

so I think I'm a few points over with that, than what Fire Dragons + Serpent would give me. That seems like an awful lot of points on such a small unit. I think I'll save them for bigger games, when they can have a tooled out farseer that can fortune his own rock-hard squad of warlocks and doom the enemy as well.

But I do like the doubled fire dragon squad as opposed to the farseer for the small 1k list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/369642.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
HQ
Autarch w/ reaper, jetbike - 125

Farseer, jetbike, runes of warding, fortune, doom, spirit stones, spear - 178
5 warlocks, jetbikes, spears, enhance, embolden, 3x destructor - 290

Troops
12 Jetbikes, 4 shuriken cannons - 304
12 jetbikes, 4 shuriken cannons - 304
12 jetbikes, 4 shuriken cannons - 304
10 dire avengers, exarch, bladestorm
waveserpent, t/l shuriken cannons - 100
5 rangers - 95
5 rangers - 95

Elites
9 Fire Dragons w/ Exarch
wave serpent, t/l shuriken cannon - 100

Heavy Support
Fire Prism, Holofields - 150
Fire Prism, Holofields - 150

Think that's right about 2500, as high as I think I want to go with the list, with 500 to spend on something big if I ever want to do an apocalypse game.

How does that look at the 2500 level?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370207.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Having a farseer is not a requirement for having warlocks in your army. However, without the farseer, the only place you can put them is in guardian based squads (like your jetbikes).

Ditching the farseer for more fire dragons is ok. However, you may want to consider keeping him. What he can do is ride in the wave serpent with the dragons. Then when they get out, he can just stay inside. Since farseer powers (other than mind war and eldrich storm) don't need line of sight or anything else, he can cast doom from inside the serpent. In general, I find that more than 6 fire dragons in one squad tends to be overkill.

As for your plans for the future, you may want to consider putting some warlocks in those bike squads. Both embolden and destructor would be helpful. You may also want to consider a 3rd heavy suppor choice...maybe a falcon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370699.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list FD aren't overkill, Phoenix, it just makes them immensely flexible. Any standard MEQ unit would simply die to them.

Hordes are a different story though. If you drop a single FD, you can get an Exarch with a Dragon's Breath Flamer and Crack Shot and wind up at exactly 1000. A Heavy Flamer that gets re-rolls to wound? Sign me up!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370795.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Spellbound wrote:Autarch, Eldar Jetbike, Reaper Missle Launcher - 125

Elites
10 Fire Dragons - 160
Waveserpent w/ shuriken cannons, shuriken cannon - 110


10 Firedragons is waaaay overkill. Squad can only fire at a single thing and it's a waste to have that big of a squad. You are much better off running two squads of 5 or two squads of 6. Granted, that will cost more as you'll most likely need a transportation for both.

I've read in other places that the Holo Field on Prisms might not always be worth taking (due to the fact that a weapon destroyed leaves it not in good shape) so it might be a way to save 70 points for more troops/what not. Of course it does make the Prisms much more fragile...

-Jara]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370821.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Jaradakar wrote:
I've read in other places that the Holo Field on Prisms might not always be worth taking (due to the fact that a weapon destroyed leaves it not in good shape) so it might be a way to save 70 points for more troops/what not. Of course it does make the Prisms much more fragile...

-Jara


Don't believe everything you read. The increase is like 3.5%, hardly making 35 points to make your tank practically invincible less appealing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370860.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Burning Star IV wrote:>6 FD aren't overkill, Phoenix, it just makes them immensely flexible. Any standard MEQ unit would simply die to them.

Hordes are a different story though. If you drop a single FD, you can get an Exarch with a Dragon's Breath Flamer and Crack Shot and wind up at exactly 1000. A Heavy Flamer that gets re-rolls to wound? Sign me up!


10 dragons kill 5.5 marines (or anything else without an I save) on average, 3.7 terminators, or 2.8 marines (or anything else) in cover. While it's not bad, it isn't wipeing out whole squads in one go unless they are combat squads. The heavy flamer is in fact great against hordes, but melta guns are not. So if you are shooting the flamer at a horde, you are wasting the fire power of the rest of the squad. Yet another reason to keep the squad small. Spending 16 points each on fire dragons to shoot at orcs or gaunts or guardians or IG troopers is a complete waste when you can have more effective dire avengers for 12 or scorpions for 16. Keep the dragon small. They are good at doing what they do (busting tanks), make sure you use them to do it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370865.page GMT Re:Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
eldar tanks are almost worthless now maybe run 1 at best. Jet bikes dont do anything except die]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/370948.page GMT Thinking of starting Eldar, 1k initial list
Burning Star IV wrote:
Jaradakar wrote:
I've read in other places that the Holo Field on Prisms might not always be worth taking (due to the fact that a weapon destroyed leaves it not in good shape) so it might be a way to save 70 points for more troops/what not. Of course it does make the Prisms much more fragile...

-Jara


Don't believe everything you read. The increase is like 3.5%, hardly making 35 points to make your tank practically invincible less appealing.


I am not a Prisms expert and rarely use them (stupid huge pewter gun on a plastic FLYING model... grrr). I'd use them in a heart beat if they had an all plastic kit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/371029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217409/371029.page GMT