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				<title>3000 Chaos Space Marines</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Eh the post about abaddon made me want to post my new list I've been working on.  I'll mostly play against my friends blood angels army and other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQs</span>, but I'm curious as to how it will do against all army types.  Here goes, tell me what ya think ..<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> 440<br /> <br /> Abaddon 275<br /> <br /> Kharn 165<br /> <br /> <br /> Elite 380<br /> <br /> 10 Terminators 380<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(237);'>IoT</span>, 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HFs</span>, 7 Combi-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span><br /> <br /> <br /> Troops 1640<br /> <br /> 4x 10 Plague marines 1160<br /> 2x Melta, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> 2x 10 Berzerker's 480<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span><br /> <br /> <br /> Heavy 540<br /> <br /> Land Raider 240<br /> DPoss<br /> <br /> 2x Defiler 300<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(571);'>DCCW</span><br /> <br /> 3000 on the dot<br /> <br /> The idea is abaddon and his termies deep strike in and lay waste to whatever is near them with heavy plasma/flamer fire, followed by a charge to the most threatening close combat targets.  The termies (after all combi's are fired) are basically just there as a shield to assure that abaddon gets into close combat to do his thing on threatening units or big tanks if necessary.<br /> <br /> The 4 plague marine units are objective grabbers as well as a running offensive wall for the berzerker's to hide behind and gain 4+ marine sized cover saves.  They then either stand their ground firing bolters/meltas and get assaulted to absorb a charge to allow the berzerker's to furious charge after, or double as tuff tank busters since there will be 8 melta's in total.  6x scoring units <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> The land raider will be for kharn alone to get him into combat with abaddon then it will follow up on tank busting as well.<br /> <br /> Defiler's do what they do best, and that's demolish infantry and hordes and then <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> if they get a chance cus it's fun  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> The only things I can forsee as being a problem is relying too much on the deepstrike, if it fails I'm screwed.  Also kharn in his transport will be the biggest target up until then. And I'm not sure if there's quite enuff anti-tank, although I usually like to have more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> than I need ..  How bout vs hordes ?<br /> <br /> Lemme know whatcha think, positive criticism welcome.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:47:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beerfiend]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i love this list, plenty of tank killers.<br /> and a great mix of nurgle staying power for holding down objectives followed by serious assult power of zerkers and kharn.<br /> and o make it better you have abbadon and 10 termies to drop in and really give someone a headache.<br /> <br /> i would say keep it as it is.<br /> only thing i dislike is the 2 defilers, just need to keep them safe as they tend to die easily.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:52:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ JD21290]]></author>
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				<title>Re:3000 Chaos Space Marines</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Ah thanks for the reply mate, I appreciate the feedback  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Yeah a lot of people seem to have problems with defilers, and justly so as they do get demolished easily.  But here's the thing, I play on a 96 inch long table .. the longest ranged weapon in my friends arsenal is a las cannon.  So I can safely sit back 72 and blast away (twice) at whatever I feel like, either forcing him to come attack me or giving myself cover fire where needed (possibley near where abaddon and his terms land).<br /> <br /> The forcing him to attack me thing is probably the biggest perk I have because, he absolutely LOVES to sit back with his massive amount of las cannons and snipe the hell out of me as I advance, then wait for me to get in close and charge me with his VAS, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> termies, death company with lemartes, and honor guard with dante.  <br /> <br /> The defiler's are indeed and an invaluable model for this list, not only that but they tend to be my friends biggest target <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.  This means he has to choose between targeting <i>both</i> of them, kharn in his <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>, abaddon/termies, and the menacing wall of death and carnage that makes up my troops.<br /> <br /> I'm actually considering using 3 defilers, but then unfortunately there would be no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> for kharn and that's just not cool  <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:19:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beerfiend]]></author>
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				<title>Re:3000 Chaos Space Marines</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Do you guys suppose this army is too slow?<br /> <br /> Would it do better with several rhino's for my troops?  Or would that simply be a waste of points?<br /> <br /> Like I said I play on a 96 inch long table, and running across that takes quite a while.  I'm just concerned that once Abaddon and his termies are on the field backup won't arrive for quite a while.<br /> <br /> Please let me know what you all think ..]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:32:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beerfiend]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ maybe add 2 rinos if you want but if he likes to sit there i would sit to and make him charge.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:58:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Deathmachine]]></author>
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