<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "GW craters and True LOS"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GW craters and True LOS GW craters even deep enough to actually give cover saves to anything in them? They don't seem like it, particularly for larger infantry like terminators or wraithguard. Anyone had any experience with them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368908.page GMT GW craters and True LOS iirc - those craters would fall under 'area terrain' and grant a cover while you are in it.

But, I have been wrong... many many many times.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368927.page GMT GW craters and True LOS http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/368944.page GMT GW craters and True LOS AT, fine, you want WYSIWYG, fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369223.page GMT Re:GW craters and True LOS pg 21 in the rulebook states cover types and what cover save you get for said types.

more importantly on the same page "before deploying their armies, it is a very good idea for players to go through all the terrain pieces on the battlefield quickly and agree what kind of cover each will offer."

In the case of the GW craters, point and say, lets make that difficult terrain, and give it a 4+ cover save. Or, point and say, not difficult terrain, but lets give it a 5+ cover save to models within it.

that is the best way to decide, and allows some flexibility for your game.

-M]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369225.page GMT Re:GW craters and True LOS RAW they are difficult and a 5+ cover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369245.page GMT Re:GW craters and True LOS
sheridan wrote:most of the time craters only give a 5+ cover save and are difficult terrain. However I have seen people do 4+ cover saves for vehicles that are fairly large (land raider/superheavy). But RAW they are difficult and a 5+ cover.


According to the Cover Chart on pg 21, 5th edition rulebook, Craters fall in the 4+ cover save.

Vehicles are not treated like infantry, 50% of the facing of the vehicle needs to be obscured by intervening terrain or models, and they are not obscured simply for being inside area terrain. So if the vehicle is in a crater, and the firing model can see more than 50% of the facing, that vehicle would not get a cover save (pg 62, 5th ed rulebook)

General rule of thumb, for non-vehicles, if something gives cover, and its not, razor wire, wire mesh, high grass, crops, bushes, hedges, fences, or fortifications, its going to give a 4+ cover save.

Also another reason why you agree with your opponent what gives what cover save before table edges and deployment are decided.

-M]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369274.page GMT GW craters and True LOS ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369380.page GMT GW craters and True LOS GW pictures look like deep, high-walled craters and they're supposedly the ones from the package - but the packages look like they're really small!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/217450/369444.page GMT GW craters and True LOS
Lordhat wrote:I believe Sheridan was talking about craters left behind by exploding vehicles, not vehicles getting cover from craters.


well i did reread it, and your right, i don't think he was talking about vehicles getting cover from craters, but not sure if he was talking about craters left by exploding vehicles either, but you are correct Lordhat he could have been.

I say I'm not sure, because you do get a 4+ cover save from being behind a vehicle, and the poster didn't say, crater left by exploding vehicle, or even exploding vehicle.

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