<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge Ld test and ended up shooting the terminator squad behind them. This is all very clear and simple to me so far (and assume all of you out there in dakkaland), but it gets odd in the Assault phase. Can the marines still charge the pink horrors?

Unless I'm missing something, this again comes down to a RAW vs. RAI argument, as alot of the YMDC threads do.

RAW arguement:
pg. 33 of the rule book, under Disallowed Assaults: "...a unit that fired in the Shooting phase can only assault the unit that it shot at - it cannot assault a different unit to the one it previously shot at." It says nothing about intended targets, just who they actually threw bullets at. They just shot the terminators, and since they cannot charge friendly models, they stay put, yes?

My opponent (it was my changeling if you hadn't guessed by now) was livid when I raised this point, as he claimed that this was absolute cheese for a 5 point upgrade character. I explained that yes, he could have chose not to shoot after I used the Glamour of Tzeentch if this assault was so vital, and yes he was still allowed his (iirc Ld9) leadership test.

I'm equally if not more so interested to see how this is handled by fellow Daemon players, as it's quite likely to come up again in the future. And if you do agree with the above, how do you justify it to the cries of cheese? It's a great special character who's effect can be alot of fun (making a squad who just got out out a rhino turn around and meltagun their own rhino always cracks me up), but for a 5 point upgrade I'd rather not destroy my reputation at my FLGS over it.

Thoughts, Points of View, Musings, and maybe even the occasional flame welcome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379619.page GMT Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge
I have no opinion of the cheese aspect but I believe that the Changeling is undercosted.

BTW, is there something that limits the ammount of times you can use Glamour of Tzeentch in each enemy shooting phase?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379626.page GMT Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge
Webbe wrote:
BTW, is there something that limits the ammount of times you can use Glamour of Tzeentch in each enemy shooting phase?

Yes. The number of times the opponent fires. Seriously, Glamour can be used each time the enemy shoots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379694.page GMT Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge
If this was in the Ard Boyz you should have pointed to the poster where it says "No wining"


This is also not cheese (course I think very little is cheese) because you have to fail your leadership test, and you can choose not to shoot if you really need the assault.

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I make that choice all the time with my orks. last thing you want is to be stranded out in the open while the other squad rallies, moves 3" then rapid fires

NaZ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379754.page GMT Re:Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/379971.page GMT Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380031.page GMT Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380107.page GMT Re:Using the Changeling to Deny a Charge
it's not a psychic power (and therefore being limited to a single use), and there's no explicit mention of only a single unit. It seems like a simple task to throw in the phrase "this power may only be used once per enemy player turn." but they expressly did not.

However, the sentence "Pick any enemy unit that is visible to the changeling and is about to fire." implies a single selection to me (the word pick, in this case). If they had intended for it to affect every unit in range, I imagine it would have gone something like "any enemy unit the Changeling can draw line of sight to and is found to be within 24" is affected by his mind-altering glamour." ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218232/380124.page GMT