http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BsB goes in one of the 9 man units and the wizard in the other. The warrior priest and the grandmaster share the 8 man inner circle unit. The priest acts as a bodyguard for challenges, a portable healer and buffer, and allows hatred re rolls with the SoM+Laurels combo. Not to mention if he gets the re roll attacks/wounds off on himself in a challenge he basically will get 3 chances to wound even tho he only gets 2 attacks. I think this army would work rather well and because it contains no arty and no stanks people wouldn't balk at playing it. As usual any C&C is much appreciated.

2250 Knightly Empire

Characters

Templar Grand Master
-General
-Knight Kit
-Sword of Power
-Laurels of Victory
-240

Battle Wizard
-Barded Warhorse
-Lvl 2
-Rod of Power
-Ring of Volans
-164

Captain
-BsB
-Full Plate
-Barded Warhorse
-Doomfire Ring
-Sword of Might
-142

Warrior Priest
-Heavy Armor
-Barded Warhorse
-Hammer of Judgment
-Enchanted Shield
-148

Character Total: 694

Core

5 Knights
-Musician
-123

5 Knights
-Musician
-123

9 Knights
-Full Command
-247

9 Knights
-Full Command
-247

Core Total: 740

Special

8 Knights
-Full Command
-Standard of Arcane Warding
-278

20 Greatswords
-Full Command
-9 Swordsmen
-9 Swordsmen
-338

5 Pistoliers
-Musician
-97

5 Pistoliers
-Musician
-97

Special Total: 810

Army Total: 2244
Power Dice: 4+RoP+3 Bound
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It will give you more mobility and some additional staying power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/383012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/383012.page GMT
Sword of Sigismund for the general seems better to me as he doesn't have a ward save

Don't need BSB, put him on a pegasus and have him hunt warmachines or lone wizards as you lack the ability to do this

Drop the wizard to lvl 1, he won't really be casting anyway with only 4 dice, make him a scroll caddy to stop that spell you absolutely have to stop

Sword of justice for warrior priest? cheaper and then you reroll hits (1st turn) and wounds (every turn)

The infantry is truly out of place, drop it for more knights

your IC knights are too big, your paying alot of points for +1cr that is negated after 1 wound, drop them to six strong units and take more units of knights

did a quick list with AB

TMG - FP Sh BWH L Sword of Sigismund (245)
Laurels of Victory

Captain - Pegasus Armour of meteoric iron (140)
Sword of Battle

Warrior Priest - HA Sh BWH Ring of Volans (150)
Sword of Justice

Battle Wizard - WH 2 x Dispel Scroll (125)

6 x Knights - Musician (146)
6 x Knights - Musician (146)
6 x Knights - Musician (146)
6 x Knights - Musician (146)

6 x Knights - Full Command (178)
6 x Knights - Full Command (178)

6 x Knights - Full Command IC (196)
6 x Knights - Full Command IC War banner (221)

6 x Pistoliers - Musician (115)
6 x Pistoliers - Musician (115)

Total - 2247
DD - 4 + 2 scrolls
CD - 3 + 2 bound spells

65 models, all mounted, 51 of them with a 1+ AS

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The problem is that you have TONS of points sunk into those two larger knight units. The two smaller knight units will easily take one or two casualties from enemy fire and either panic or become so small they're non-issues. PapaSmurf's list has tons of 6-man units, and in a list like this that's what you need.

Those huge Knight units rely on one thing: crushing the enemy, specifically through combat res. Empire Knights are awesome - +1 save with lances is nothing to scoff at. Problem is, they only have one attack, and will not kill as many enemies as you'd like, even with a WP. One stubborn unit or undead unit that doesn't instantly scatter in front of your knights will lock them in place and then you're facing a rape-party as enemy blocks hit your flanks and bury you through weight of numbers and an obscene number of attacks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/384753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/384753.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/384755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/218443/384755.page GMT