http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CC for a few turns the whole 'exhaust cloud' excuse for an invulnerable save kinda doesn't make sense cos the bikes have been sitting there for three turns...

so should I admit to my opponent that they probably shouldn't get an invulnerable save and they all get slaughtered, or should I pretend to not notice that they should be very visible and I shouldn't get a saving throw...

what to do? I dont want to be a bad ork ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410551.page GMT CC.

Bikes do however give the unit a normal 4+ armor save.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410560.page GMT CC, doesn't mean they're standing still, they would be peeling out from time to time to get some impetus to their attacks, ringing the models they're engaged with looking for an opportunity to strike, and so on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410589.page GMT
Armour Saves, that maybe takes against all wounds, expect those caused by ranged weapons that have an equal or lower AP statistic and power weapons and monstrous creatures in close combat.

Invulnerable saves that may be taken against all wounds that are not caused by a weapon that specifically says that they may not be takes (C'Tan and GK psycannon for example)

Cover saves may be takes against all wounds caused by ranged weapons that do not specifically say they ignore cover (Template weapons or Vanguard Dragonfire bolts for example). They may not be taken against close combat attacks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410657.page GMT
See Regwon's post for whether or not they can take it in close combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410660.page GMT AP values, but I do see your point.

But I reckon it is beardy to use your 4+ cover during many assault phases.

is it fair to use it in the first close combat phase because there'd be a lot of exhaust cloud then when they've just charged!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410709.page GMT
So no, it is not fair to use in the first round of combat... because it doesn't exist in combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410716.page GMT CC. It is useful to both purchase and read the relevant codices and the rulebook itself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410718.page GMT CC.

now to decide whether the 'twin linked dakkaguns' that it also says on page 46 is true or not!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410724.page GMT FAQ, available on GW's website, for the answer about the TL dakka guns, and several other typos.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410728.page GMT
thats german efficiency in action.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410730.page GMT EDIT: yea i noticed in the back of the book it only says dakka gun not twin linked. hmm thats an odd one lol. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410845.page GMT FAQ on GW. it states that the dakka gun on a bike IS twin linked. AND its str 5 ap 5 NOT ap 4 like it says in the back of the codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410860.page GMT
it'd be fun to make some old school gut-busta's and dragsta's though!! maybe even a lifta droppa or two, ever heard of it being done for 40k?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/410962.page GMT MR. potato head into a stompa" i laughed and said "ok stompas are now gayer looking" then i craped myself and now i too want a mr potato head stompa lol.
were those in epic? i never played epic if your answer is a yes. BUT they sound pretty awesome. i think the direction my orkses are going is a hybrid of KOS and crap tons of choppas ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/411230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/220449/411230.page GMT