targetawg wrote:Couple answers to your Q's and a couple suggestions,

1) Only one unit can ever occupy a transport, even if transport capacity would allow it, ie, no 2 5man IST squads in the same land raider. Attached characters to a unit is as close as you come.

2) You can only attach and independent character to units (and then barring any special rules he may have). While the inquisitor's retinue is alive, they count as a unit, and he is not an IC. Elite inquisitors could just forgo the retinue and join a troop squad, if you'd like.

3) IMO, assassins are just a waste of points. You pay a premium price for a unit that will go in, kill a couple models, then get trampled by numbers. You'd likely be better off with something else.

Suggestions:

If you want land raider spam, you could eek in 2 more at this points level without much problem, possibly 3 I believe.

Paying for all of that plasma is real pricey, and any plasma unit that disembarks will immediatley die due to their toughness and save, if its just a fun list thats fine, but I wouldnt go out and spend tons of money building this if you dont already have the models

If you want anti-deepstrike defense (which nowadays is almost mandatory). Give every inquisitor 2 mystics (12 points total). This lets you take a free shot at any unit that lands within 4d6 inches of the tanks hull (the hull which the mystics are in) and nominate one of your units within 12 inches to take free shots at that unit as it lands. Its a great way to deal with enemy deepstrikers, and its a common tactic nowadays.

targetawg wrote:Just keep in mind if the callidus assassin engages say, a unit of 10 marines, here's the breakdown:

5 attacks, 3 will hit

1.5 will wound, 1.5 dead marines

Plus poisoned blades, 4/6 hit, 2/6 wound, plus a 3+ marine save means ~1/6 chance to kill a marine

You killed 1.75 (ish) marines on the charge, call it 2

Now, with the new 5th edition combat rules, they move up to 6 inches to get in base with you, in 4th she could effectively clear her kill zone and not get attacked back, no so in 5th.

So, 7 marines and a Sgt back, who will normally have a powerfist.

7 marines, each with 2 attacks (they come with bp/ccw for free now)

14 attacks, 7 hits, 3.5 wounds, your save is a 4+, so 1.75 wounds to the callidus

Power fist - 2 attacks, 1 hit, 5/6 wound, 2.5/6 dead callidus

Total: Little better than 2 unsaved wounds on the callidus, and a little less than 2 dead marines


In this edition, assassins just cant go into combats unsupported, the attacks back alone will kill them either in the initial charge turn, or during your opponents combat phase. If they die in the initial charge, they haven't really tied up anything for you.

Not to mention marines now have their nifty chapter traits where they can choose to fail any morale check and leave combat, auto regroup, and be free to do what they want in their turn. That part is of course marine specific, but any similar squad will just throw too many attacks back for your callidus to survive.


As to the plasma, most people run horde armies nowadays, or sit/find cover. All of that plasma won't wipe a big unit (or even close) typically. Keep in mind you won't only be playing marines (unless you have a shop with only marine players, which would depend on your specific location).

6 Plasma guns in a squad = 12 shots = 6 hits = 5 wounds = 5 dead outside of cover, 2.5 ish dead inside cover. Thats not enough to kill even a 10 man unit beyond the point where they can retaliate and wipe your more expensive squad, and morale checks due to shooting are unmodified now, so failure isn't frequent.

Just some things to think about in regards to this list and fifth, I love plasma too (8 IST's with it!) but can't see using quite this much being effective.

You can never have enough land raiders!