<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Extra armour.....worth it?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Extra armour.....worth it? DA army. Currently at the list phase.
I will possibly be including
Vindi's
LRC
LR
RB
Rhinos
Dreads..

With at least 8+ tanks in my army I want to know is extra armour really worth it?
8x15points is another dread the way I see it.
What are your thoughts on this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447359.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? DA Codex, and the way Smoke works, I'd say that extra armor is not worth it.

On Land Raiders it's less of an issue as well, as they have PotMS, altho I no longer remember how they've fangled and nerfed that rule (if at all). If they can still move and shoot, then XA isn't worth it.

With the Vindicator, I'd say it's borderline. The big edge XA gives is letting you hide from the thing that just hit you, or keep moving to deliver your cargo. By the time its getting hit, the Vindicator is probably too close to go hide. The only risk is it being stationary, and then getting hit by assault. It's 24" range means that's very possible. If that happens, it's pretty F-ed, so the XA might be a good insurance policy to keep it fighting. Also, needs to advance, so an early stun steals a turn of use from it.

I don't play Dreads much, so I can't really comment there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447389.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? csm army, i tend to use a lot of CC troops, and being able to always move is priceless]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/447442.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
It's an auto take in my mind. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448312.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
Ven Dread

2x Dread

3x pack of 6 grey hunters in HB razorbacks

8x bloodclaws + wolfgaurd battle leader in drop pod

Vindicator

wolf scouts.

and yes all the vehicles which can move get extra armour.

for dreads it's a no brainer, if you can't shoot, then thats a turn speant running towards combat to use your DCCW.

the razorbacks and vindie can scuttle out of the way of more fire and redploy.

basically extra armour means you can not worry about 1/3rd of penetrating hits as you can do something usefull.

get it, get it now...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448484.page GMT Re:Extra armour.....worth it? DA still have the old PotMS. Just try and remember to point it in the direction you would like to go, you have to move 12" in a straight line from where he was pointing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448913.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
A stun happens 1/6 of the time. Glance or pen. On any dice roll against your rhino, 1/6 of the time Extra Armor will actually do something. Anything else and it's a complete wash. Your rhino is much more likely to be immobilized or destroyed/exploded than it is to be stunned. Much, much more likely. So much more likely that spending 15 points per vehicle is an absolute waste on anything, and doubly so on cheap transports. You just spent 150% of the cost of the rhino for another rhino that does the exact same thing 5/6 of the time.

Total waste of points.

Lots of people have "that story" of the one time when they really needed the rhino to move and it got shot and somebody rolled a 2 and extra armor let the rhino moved and that unit was able to save the game.

Doesn't change the fact that 5/6 of the time it's a total waste of points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/448968.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449000.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
In 5th edition it is hard to justify paying so many points for something that only has a 17% chance of occuring. This is even more true if you are fielding large numbers of Rhinos - most of them will make it to the destination.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449203.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449265.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
It is something that I always add and also the first thing I trim when looking for points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449281.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449393.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
Its def not the MUST HAVE it used to be.

For example my buddy and I used the same army in 2 different rounds of ard boys and he didnt take extra armor and I took it on everything and we both came in first so it really depends on your army list and if you think its necessary or not ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449436.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
Extra amor for most new dexes is 15 points. That is the same cost as a plasma gun or a lightnign claw. Spend the points on something useful. Sourclams described the likelhood of needing extra armor, and quite simply, you don't need it.

It worked a little in 4th because of the autostun on pens, and the only glancing hits from smoke and extra armor combo actually paid off against massed low or mid strength weapons. But really still not enough to be worht it. Even in 4th i was skipping the extra armor.

Rhinos purpose for an assault army are to drive you 12" forward during turn 1, aand give you an extra 2ish inches of deployment on your second turn so you are closer to yoru assualt targets. It also makes your opponent waste their anti tank shots on a rhino to give their small arms somethign to shoot at. In 5th even pens still generate no shooting or stunned or weapon destroyed or immobilized with no side effects for the passengers(other than not shooting from inside the rhino). 2/3 of all pens are happy for the passengers(unless its ap 1 or open topped). Even when they are wreked or explode, the damage to marine passengers is minimal.

The only time you want extra armor is if you plan on using the vehicle as a shooting platform from firepoints. I.e a sisters rhino rush with meltas and flamers inside, who are never going to get out unless your opponent pops the rhino. Ans sisters are the only ones who get the upgrade or the squads cheap enough to do that reliably.

Meph]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/449470.page GMT Re:Extra armour.....worth it?
So not sure where your math adds up it's cheaper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450051.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450082.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
Mephistoles1 wrote:The only time you want extra armor is if you plan on using the vehicle as a shooting platform from firepoints. I.e a sisters rhino rush with meltas and flamers inside, who are never going to get out unless your opponent pops the rhino. Ans sisters are the only ones who get the upgrade or the squads cheap enough to do that reliably.


Sadly for the sisters, they can no longer fire from a Rhino that moved over 6". The days of the rapid drive-by are over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450433.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450471.page GMT Extra armour.....worth it?
What you can't do is DRIVE while stunned. The PotMS lost its license after a drunk driving joyride arrest on a mountain road outside of the Northern Polar Fortress on Macragge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222816/450505.page GMT