http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net FA choices? I have 20 OOP Raptors and don't like the new ones. I'm thinking about adding some bikes to fill the FA slot in some games as that's the only other real option I have in that slot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448597.page GMT
CSM bikes are overpriced for what they can do. making them even slightly effective takes a huge amount of points (that is ususally better spent elsewhere) and so limits their use to larger games. they are limited to a maximum squad size of 10 and giving them special weapons will reduce their attacks in combat. the best way to field them is in 10 man squads with an icon, but i wouldnt suggest it.

raptors are much better on the other hand. nobody will berate you for using OOP raptors. again take large squads (10+) to spread the cost of an icon and mitigate the effect of break tests. you can give them special weapons amd/or a champion depending on what role they fill in your army. personally i like to use a couple of large squads with an icon of nurgle, melta guns and a champion with a powerfist.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448625.page GMT
chaos bikes are bad

raptors are good]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448722.page GMT
An effectively set up squad of 10 bikes costs 400 points +.

For the same points you can get 2 decent squads of Raptors which are far better.



GMort.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448800.page GMT
Something Bikes do very well, when equipped with an Icon, either an Icon of Chaos Glory or an Icon of Tzeentch, is provide an assault beacon, a locus for Lesser Daemons, Terminators, and Obliterators to home in on.

Take a squad of five, including a Champion, two special weapon gunners, an Icon bearer, and a bullet catcher, and have them dive into enemy territory using their turbo-boosters. Once they've laid a few Terminator squads, wander them around and use their Relentless attribute to help shoot up whatever might shoot at the Terminators.

If you use your other two Fast Attack slots for Raptors, then you have a good mix of close assault and close shooting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448815.page GMT
They would be better if they had two shots at range instead of Twin-linked. Unless you are at 12" they have weak shooting anyway. This isn't something I would normally say but you could take more Obliterators, for example.

Space Marine bikes are good because they can take a Heavy Bolter. They are cheaper too, for that matter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448820.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448824.page GMT
Edit:

@Squig-Herder:

An Icon of Tzeentch is cheaper, and since the bikes already have a T4(5), having an Invulnerable save on top of that prevents them from being swept up easily with Plasma weapons or Demolisher Cannons and the like.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222879/448827.page GMT
if you are lacking in points then yes Tzeentch is the god for you, but if you have the points and really want a hard hitting unit that will mostly likely win in battle then pappa nurgle is your god [i have played against pappa nurgle bikers and it took me 4 turns of shooting and assaukltiong with me ork boyz to kill 6 of em]

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