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2) When Archaon, or any hero with a daemon sword, hurt themselves with their weapon is it counted towards the combat resolution?

3) When rolling on the Eye of the Gods table, how do you handle duplicate abilities, but not duplicate "results"? For example, if a Lord rolled snake eyes and got "stupidity" and then rolled snake eyes again, he would re-roll. But Sigvald is already counted as stupid, so if he rolls snake eyes, does he reroll due to already having the Stupidity rule, or does it stand and do nothing because he hasn't yet actually rolled that result on the table?

4) Does frenzy trump Stupidity? Frenzy no longer grants "immune to psychology" anymore so they still check for stupidity, but if you fail stupidity when there's enemies in charge range, which takes effect?

Thanks in advance!
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2) Yup. A wound in combat is a wound in combat. It counts regardless of how it is caused.

3) I'd treat it as a new result. Otherwise, people who get, say +1S from a Magic Weapon could not then increase that further with a little leg up from their patron.

4) Nope. You test for stupidity, then check for Frenzy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450288.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450343.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450411.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon
Specifically mentions the entire unit moving as per Skirmishers, ergo no half movement for terrain.

And yes, you line them up as per normal skirmishers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450440.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon The main rulebook tells you to count “all wounds inflicted by a side”, which could conceivably be stretched to allow Archaon’s wounds on himself to BENEFIT him, but I’ve never seen anyone play that way. IME those wounds are normally ignored for CR.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450554.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon

Spellbound wrote:
4) Does frenzy trump Stupidity? Frenzy no longer grants "immune to psychology" anymore so they still check for stupidity, but if you fail stupidity when there's enemies in charge range, which takes effect?

Thanks in advance!

Frenzy does grant ItP. Bottom of page 35 of the floppy rule book; "Frenzied units are Immune to Psychology (see the next page) as long as they are Frenzied."

Just to point out. Think the others guys have handled the questions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450564.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450633.page GMT Re:Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon Immunity to psycology =
Immunity to Stupidty]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450732.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450873.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/450913.page GMT Re:Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon
No BRB in front of me

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2) Not clear. Hopefully a FAQ will address this. As it is, one side inflicted the wounds so could count them!

3) Also not clear. Trolls rolling stupidity for example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/451595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/451595.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon
Hellcannon can move and fire: A warmachine cannot, but the cannon is not a warmachine, but a monster, so like salamanders, can move and shoot.

Monster and handlers deploy like skirmishers, but charge arcs and visibility is 45 degrees from monster (see rules for monsters)

Immune to psychology only makes you immune to fear, terror and panic, now, not all psychology.

If a unit is 'immune to stupidity' it will have a special rule saying "immune to stupidity"

Saying that frenzy gives immune to all psychology is a logic error. as soon as they are frenzied, they are immune to all psychology, meaning they losefrenzy, meaning theyre not immune to psycology, but have lost frenzy...

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The question is, if I fail my stupidity check, but there's enemies in charge range, what do I do? Charge, because I have to according to frenzy, or wander forward at standard movement, as per Stupidity? [obviously if they're only a couple inches away this would be a charge anyway, but that's not the question].

The Hellcannon cannot move and shoot because its shot works exactly like a stonethrower, which cannot be shot if it has moved.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/451869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/451869.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon IT's a good question about the Frenzy and Stupidity. Also works for Animosity, Calling The Waaagh! and Waaagh!

I'd say a 1 for Animosity prevents me from moving, effectively replacing Frenzies movement rule.

But the Spell Waaagh! overides the failed Animosity. Is certainly the way I've been playing it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/452482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/452482.page GMT Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon The Hellcannon cannot move and shoot because its shot works exactly like a stonethrower, which cannot be shot if it has moved.

True, a stone thrower can't shoot if it has moved, but that's a war machine rule, not a special rule for firing a stone thrower. The Hellcannon is no longer a war machine, and not bound by that rule.

Makes me glad I never added the chains bitz to my Hellcannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/453486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/453486.page GMT Re:Couple of rules questions, monsters and Archaon VC's

Some other interesting notes about the new codex: Khalek doesnt take up a rare even though hes a shaggoth
You can take 3 shaggoths if you take Kholek + 2 more
Hellcannons only take up 1 rare slot.
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Spellbound wrote:I never really said frenzy gives immunity to psychology. I knew that already. I know I still roll for stupidity.

The question is, if I fail my stupidity check, but there's enemies in charge range, what do I do? Charge, because I have to according to frenzy, or wander forward at standard movement, as per Stupidity? [obviously if they're only a couple inches away this would be a charge anyway, but that's not the question].

Generally in Warhammer and 40k “can’t” trumps “must”. If you are prevented from charging by a negative condition that instead forces a required movement on you, then you lose your ability to charge. A frenzied unit must charge if able, but if it can’t, it simply can’t.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/457041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/222966/457041.page GMT