<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Starcannons VS Scatterlasers"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Starcannons VS Scatterlasers Scatterlaser: 36 range, str 6 ap 6
Starcannon: 36 range, str 6 ap 2
Let's assume you're shooting at your standard marine in cover

Scatterlaser breakdown:
To hit (assuming BS 3): 3/6
To wound(assuming T 4): 5/6
Armor save (assuming 3+ save): 2/6

3/6 * 5/6 * 2/6 = 30/216 = ~14% to kill one marine with one shot

Scatterlaser is heavy 4 so 14%*4 = 56% to kill one marine

Starcannon breakdown:
To hit (assuming BS 3): 3/6
To wound(assuming T 4): 5/6
Cover save (4+): 3/6

3/6 * 5/6 * 3/6 = 45/216 = ~21% to kill one marine with one shot

Starcannon is heavy 2 so 21%*2= 42% to kill one marine

If the marine is in the open the starcannon has a ~83% vs the ~56% of the scatterlaser

Shooting at vehicles the scatterlaser is much better than the starcannon:

Against armor 12:
Scatterlaser has a ~33% chance to glance vs the Starcannon's ~17% chance to glance

Against a Plague Marine in cover:
Scatterlaser:
3/6 * 4/6 * 2/6 * 3/6 * 4=22% to kill one
Starcannon:
3/6 * 4/6 * 3/6 * 2=33% to kill one
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Hint: It's the opposite result.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457628.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457629.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457690.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers
How many starcannons do you need to remove 24 Termies?
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wuestenfux wrote:Well, star cannons were the obvious choice in the former edition of the Eldar codex when they were assault 3. But now as they are assault 2 and still very costly compared to scatter lasers, I never used them in the current incarnation of the codex.

How many starcannons do you need to remove 24 Termies?


29, compared to 87 scatter lasers.

scatter lasers are still the better choice, however. you get lots of terminator killing potential from fire prisms, falcons, harlequins, banshees, avatars and wraithlords, just as standard. not to mention that 24 terminators are slower than you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457841.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457847.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers
Regwon wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Well, star cannons were the obvious choice in the former edition of the Eldar codex when they were assault 3. But now as they are assault 2 and still very costly compared to scatter lasers, I never used them in the current incarnation of the codex.

How many starcannons do you need to remove 24 Termies?


29, compared to 87 scatter lasers.

scatter lasers are still the better choice, however. you get lots of terminator killing potential from fire prisms, falcons, harlequins, banshees, avatars and wraithlords, just as standard. not to mention that 24 terminators are slower than you.


Not when they bring stormshields and thunderhammers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/457872.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers
Regwon wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Well, star cannons were the obvious choice in the former edition of the Eldar codex when they were assault 3. But now as they are assault 2 and still very costly compared to scatter lasers, I never used them in the current incarnation of the codex.

How many starcannons do you need to remove 24 Termies?


29, compared to 87 scatter lasers.

scatter lasers are still the better choice, however. you get lots of terminator killing potential from fire prisms, falcons, harlequins, banshees, avatars and wraithlords, just as standard. not to mention that 24 terminators are slower than you.


The correct answer would be 72 starcannon wounds (86,4 starcannons assuming bs3), as everyone will take terminators with storm shields now a days. Yes scatter lasers would need twice as many wounds, but they also get twice as many shots for a lower price.
Even against TEq without storm shields, they will almost always get a 4+ cover save. Meaning the starcannon is only marginally better against TEq's without storm shields and is worse against anything else. Even if the starcannon would be the same points cost as the scatter lasers are, the scatter lasers would still be the better choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/458008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/458008.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers
Airmaniac wrote:
Regwon wrote:

29, compared to 87 scatter lasers.

scatter lasers are still the better choice, however. you get lots of terminator killing potential from fire prisms, falcons, harlequins, banshees, avatars and wraithlords, just as standard. not to mention that 24 terminators are slower than you.


The correct answer would be 72 starcannon wounds (86,4 starcannons assuming bs3), as everyone will take terminators with storm shields now a days. Yes scatter lasers would need twice as many wounds, but they also get twice as many shots for a lower price.
Even against TEq without storm shields, they will almost always get a 4+ cover save. Meaning the starcannon is only marginally better against TEq's without storm shields and is worse against anything else. Even if the starcannon would be the same points cost as the scatter lasers are, the scatter lasers would still be the better choice.


i was assuming BS3 because that is the comparison the OP used.

starcannon havent been good in this edition sinse they became assault 3 (as has previously been mentioned). its just not worht it for the low number of shots you get. since weight of fire is the name of the game in 5th, scatterlasers come out on top 9/10]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/458060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/458060.page GMT Starcannons VS Scatterlasers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/472115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/472115.page GMT Re:Starcannons VS Scatterlasers ap 1/2 half the time, BS4, 'heavy' 5 and can generally live longer. Conversely less mobile while shooty but can get into a firing position pretty well with the scout rule.

As for the str, 4+ to wound but with the rending rule it kinda levels out but it only gets better with tougher things.

As for AV pen, a roll of a 6 for a SL/SC gives 12 penatration, whereas a ranger rifle gets 10-13 with the rending and on 33% of those hits counts as ap1.

They also have shruiken pistols........ My point is, ap 2 or better weapons are abundent and not nessicarly seperate from high shot volume either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/472241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/472241.page GMT Re:Starcannons VS Scatterlasers ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/804163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223446/804163.page GMT