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				<description><![CDATA[ Chapter Master(Terminator Armour, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw) 	190<br /> <br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta						170<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta						170<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 					170<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta						170<br /> <br /> 5 man terminator squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> 						200<br /> 5 man terminator squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> 						200<br /> <br /> Predator(Autocannon)								60<br /> Predator(Autocannon)								60<br /> Predator(Autocannon)								60<br /> <br /> Total: 1450<br /> <br /> Any ideas, hints, tips or critisisms, folks?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its a basic but solid list. Its not bad but its very weak against heavy shooting and mech Eldar.<br /> <br /> Drop one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad for: predator twin link lascannons or sum <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> marine power fists. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Your max anti-tank range is 24", no rhino's on marines is bad, drop a terminator squad for 4 rhinos.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've oft considered spamming Razors or rhinos with basic Predators.<br /> <br /> True, you can't do much to mech Eldar because they can dance around outside your multi-meltas. If you can have a gunline with meltas up front, and the autocannons at the rear of an echelon, you can balance out your effective range. Eldar have some nice 36" heavies, but the business is within 12"-24". The real problem is melta vs. Energy fields... also hitting anything with those hammers.<br /> <br /> You could take on static/balanced Tau lists pretty alright though.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the feedback, gentlemen. Here is a second edition.<br /> <br /> Sicarius 200 <br /> <br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad meltagun/multi-melta 175<br /> (Tank Hunters via Sicarius) <br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> <br /> 5 man terminator squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> 200 <br /> <br /> Predator 60<br /> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(534);'>TW</span> Lascannon 105<br /> + Sponson Lascannons 165<br /> <br /> Attack Bike Squad 120<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad 90<br /> +Lascannon 125<br /> +Lascannon 160<br /> +Lascannon 195<br /> 1495<br /> <br /> <br /> As you can see, I ditched one 5 man Terms. The current Terms will exist to be a human shield for old Sicarius. I added an Attack Bike Squad because I felt we needed additional speed. This way they can use a Heavy Bolter if I can't down infantry or a melta if I really need that extra vehicle killing power.<br /> <br /> As for Vehicle killing power, I also added a Predator created entirely for that purpose(and to give Sicarius and his Terms a metal shield to hide behind as they creep up to the field), as well as a Devastator Squad working purely long range to blast a few holes in some tanks.<br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squads gained Rhinos as per everybody's advice, though I worry with too many troop carriers they'll just get picked off by railgun happy Tau or what have you.<br /> <br /> Anyways, yet more feedback would be greatly enjoyed, ladies and gents.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why not dump Sicarius for Vulkan and get some free twin-linking and mastercrafting for 190 pts? Your army seems Flamer and Multi-melta heavy so they would greatly benefit from it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ aye ditch sicarius for Vulkan and personally i would drop the devvie squad for 2 Heavy Bolter/Autocannon preds thier 85pts each which is a steal for 8 shots that can mow down infantry especially if you play against orks]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Great advice from both of you. I'd neglected to notice that. Some more tweak make it like so..<br /> <br /> <br /> Vulkan 190 <br /> <br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170<br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad flamer/multi-melta 170 <br /> Rhino 35<br /> <br /> 5 man terminator squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> 200 <br /> <br /> Predator 60<br /> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(534);'>TW</span> Lascannon 105<br /> + Sponson Lascannons 165<br /> <br /> Predator 60<br /> +Sponson Heavy Bolter 85<br /> <br /> Predator 60<br /> +Sponson Heavy Bolter 85<br /> <br /> Thunderfire Cannon 100<br /> <br /> 1480<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------------<br /> <br /> Any more suggestions?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You've now got 4 heavies, so an illegal list.<br /> <br /> I'd take some meltaguns, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span> are poor as far as mobile anti-tank goes.  With Vulkan I think it is worth taking combi-weapons on your tacticals as well.  You should also consider a ride for the terminators and Vulkan.  A Land Raider gives that and draws fire and/or blocks <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span> to your rhinos.<br /> <br /> A list along these lines perhaps?<br /> <br /> Vulkan 190<br /> <br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Meltagun, combi-melta, power fist <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Rhino 245<br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Meltagun, combi-melta, power fist, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Rhino 245<br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Razorback 210<br /> <br /> 5 man Assault Terminators 200<br /> Land Radier Redeemer 240<br /> <br /> Predator, Autocannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> 85<br /> Predator, Autocannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> 85]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:21:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ winterman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Instead of the heavy stuff like predators or bikes, how about land speeders? You can put a Hvy Flamer and a M-Melta on there, have great mobility with tank busting AND infantry killing power that is all twin linked. They will also draw A LOT of fire power because most people who know the game see them usually as the big thread in round 1 and 2. They also survive surprisingly well and can help you clinch objectives late in a game but contesting and either pulling a tie or saving yourself a loss.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:01:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mickhedd]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>winterman wrote:</cite>You've now got 4 heavies, so an illegal list.<br /> <br /> I'd take some meltaguns, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span> are poor as far as mobile anti-tank goes.  With Vulkan I think it is worth taking combi-weapons on your tacticals as well.  You should also consider a ride for the terminators and Vulkan.  A Land Raider gives that and draws fire and/or blocks <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span> to your rhinos.<br /> <br /> A list along these lines perhaps?<br /> <br /> Vulkan 190<br /> <br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Meltagun, combi-melta, power fist <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Rhino 245<br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Meltagun, combi-melta, power fist, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Rhino 245<br /> 10 man Tactical w/ Flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, Razorback 210<br /> <br /> 5 man Assault Terminators 200<br /> Land Radier Redeemer 240<br /> <br /> Predator, Autocannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> 85<br /> Predator, Autocannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> 85</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Only problem with that list is a razorback carries only six models. It would be good for Vulkan+Sternguard transport.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:02:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I agree with wintermans suggestion,<br /> Land Raider is great for a armoured assault because the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> will protect your rhino, your rhino will protect your troops and your troops will protect the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> from A.T.<br /> <br /> I also agree with the other suggestion.<br /> Drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> altogether, instead use those points somewhere else.<br /> Take Meltagun/combi meltagun/meltabomb/Power fist ---------- flamer/combi flamer/cigarette Grenade/Power weapon.<br /> Mix and match isn't a good idea.<br /> <br /> Razorbacks have Multi-meltas? If so take one of them.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:17:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ storm knight]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ah, poo. I hadn't noticed about the 4 heavies. Blast it all!<br /> <br /> My only concern is that I may not have enough Troop choices with your list, winterman, otherwise it's real solid. May as well nab a Guard army if I love Troops so much mind... hrm.<br /> <br /> I've a lot to think about. Cheers for the support, fellows.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Only problem with that list is a razorback carries only six models. It would be good for Vulkan+Sternguard transport. </div></blockquote><br /> While sternguard aren't a bad idea either, this is still a good and legal transport for the unit <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span>.  Combat squad and move either one as needed, or just bunker around it or in it near an objective while the rhino squads and raider operate more agressively.  Could go with a rhino too.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>My only concern is that I may not have enough Troop choices with your list, winterman, otherwise it's real solid.</div></blockquote><br /> Three 10 man troop choices is pretty solid for 1500.  You have to have some teeth as well as mobility and that is harder to do when taking 4 troop choices in 1500, especially when your focus is on short ranged shooting.]]></description>
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