<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Flameing Axe of Death"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Flameing Axe of Death ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462848.page GMT Re:Flameing Axe of Death I know.. busted.. but thats how they decided to work it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462851.page GMT Re:Flameing Axe of Death http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462906.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death
This is why you have a hand weapon handy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462921.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462959.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death
Mannahnin wrote:Except that a model with a magic weapon is forced to use it.


QFT. No turning off the effects(unless specifically allowed to by the weapon/rune), no using other weapons. That's the cost of using a magic weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/462970.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464074.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death WH books as a magic item which protects against “Purely Flaming attacks”; only one which protect against “Flaming Attacks”. But I could be on crack.

“Flaming Attacks”, as a defined concept within the 6th and 7th edition rules, is a bit of an abstraction which includes both attacks comprised primarily or exclusively of fire (like a Fireball spell) AND physical attacks with a flaming component, like a Screaming Skull Catapult’s shots.

GW has clearly indicated within the FAQs that a model which is immune to Flaming Attacks is totally unaffected by any Flaming Attack, even those which include what would normally be a deadly physical component, like a bolt thrower shot, a skull catapult shot, or a Bloodthirster’s axe (when he’s given the very inexpensive gift which makes his attacks both S7 and Flaming).

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High Elf FAQ wrote:Q. If a model (or its mount) equipped with Dragon Armour is hit by a flaming
cannonball, flaming bolt, flaming sword, and so on, is the model immune to the entire
attack, or will they still be crushed by the underlying bolt, cannonball, sword, etc.?

A. They are immune to the entire attack. The rules are clear, and obviously the alchemical reason for this is that the armour repels both the element of fire and the vessel that is imbued with it.


Right now this creates kind of an interesting dilemma in army list building, because Flaming Attacks have recently gotten more valuable and useful, since recent books have included more Regenerating units. This, as a side effect, makes the High Elf units which have access to Dragon Armor more powerful, and makes some things (like Flamers of Tzeentch, the Dwarven Rune of Burning for their bolt throwers, or the aforementioned Bloodthirster gift, which is otherwise a complete no-brainer) not as universally-useful, in that they have a weakness.

Given GW’s clear ruling on the subject, I’m really curious if this “purely flaming” distinction is really there in the Rune of the Furnace description, because I thought it was the opposite.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464179.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death "The bearer of theis rune is immune to fire and cannot be affected by enemy attacks purely consisting of flameing attacks such as fireballs, Flames from Skaven warpfire throwers, breath of a high elf Dragon, etc."
Big question though, does it protect you from Friendly flameing attacks? (Such as a Flame cannon)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464206.page GMT Re:Flameing Axe of Death FYI, it does not say "purely flaming attacks". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464211.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death OTOH, they rock v. regeneration, so it is a strategic decision.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/464262.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death 1. Dragon Princes. Per the FAQ Mannahin cites, they have been immune completely to anything that is flaming.
2. Rune of the Furnace. My understanding of its effects is the same as Negativemoney - i.e. it only works against flame attacks, and gives no immunity against the underlying attack.
3. Any others?

Therefore, it may be that the extent of the immunity is on a case-by-case basis.
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Strimen wrote:FYI, it does not say "purely flaming attacks".


FYI it does say "purely" in my book. Are you looking at a different version of the army book?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476089.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death
Antonin wrote:What units are immune to fire?

1. Dragon Princes. Per the FAQ Mannahin cites, they have been immune completely to anything that is flaming.

Therefore, it may be that the extent of the immunity is on a case-by-case basis.


OK, Here is one for you! What about the Dwarf Flame Cannon? There has been an ongoing argument that it is not considered a flaming attack because it is not stated as such (It just uses the flame template but it never states it as a "Flaming Attack". It has never been FAQ either. So if Dragon Princes are immune to it them the cannons hits do count as flaming attacks. If not then they are not.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476109.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death Flame isn't a flaming attack. same with salamanders. If you come around and try to tell me that something like that isn't flaming, i'll tell you to get lost. just because it doesn't specifically say it's flaming, doesn't mean it isn't since the NAME of the weapon or the attack STRONGLY indicates that it is.

Here, Dragon Armour does say that they are immune to fire attacks, while the rune of the furnace says purely fire attacks. difference in wording indicating a difference in application.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476270.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death
Arion wrote:Come on, no one can seriously argue that a Flame isn't a flaming attack. same with salamanders. If you come around and try to tell me that something like that isn't flaming, i'll tell you to get lost. just because it doesn't specifically say it's flaming, doesn't mean it isn't since the NAME of the weapon or the attack STRONGLY indicates that it is.

Here, Dragon Armour does say that they are immune to fire attacks, while the rune of the furnace says purely fire attacks. difference in wording indicating a difference in application.


Man. I wish that were true, but I had some RAW players actually argue the fact that Flame Cannons and Salamaders don't count. I know crazy but there it is.

Part of the problem is the fact that the Dwarf Army Book is 6th Ed and has not been updated to 7th yest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/476874.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death GW has already set precident for this. when the FAQ for VC came out and it addressed the Invocation of nehek being cast into combat rule, it said that it was permissible becaue, though it didn't specifically state that it could, it was "strongly implied" that it could be cast into combat by the text of the spell. now if the word Flame in FLAME cannon and Spout FLAMES doesn't "strongly imlpy" that these are flaming attacks, then I don't know what does.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/477246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/477246.page GMT Flameing Axe of Death FAQ'd to actualy be flaming attacks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/478005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/223790/478005.page GMT