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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Kantor 175<br /> <br /> Eliets<br /> 5 assult terminaters- thunder hammer storm shields 200<br /> Land Raider redeemer- extra armor 255<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> 10 Tactical- las cannon melta gun razorback 225<br /> <br /> 10 Tactical- las cannon melta gun razorback 225<br /> <br /> 10 Tactical- power weapon 185<br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> Land Raider redeemer- extra armor 255<br /> <br /> Vindicater 115<br /> <br /> Vindicater 115<br /> <br /> Total 1750 exactly<br /> <br /> The 10 man tactical and Kantor go ithe 2nd raider and both of the raiders plow straight at the enemy in case you were wondering what they were for.<br /> The sternguard drop and kill any mobile anti tank.<br /> The vindis are mostly there for nob bikers.<br /> The 2 raiders are there for all the rest of the infantry in the game.<br /> The termies are a counter charge and my anti nidzilla.<br /> Kantor because of his 12" bubble of + 1 A and scoring sternguard <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(264);'>FTW</span><br /> Everything else should be self explanatory.<br /> <br /> Can anybody think of a possible list that someone would find at the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>GT</span> that could beat this.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:20:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You have to get rid of 250 pts almost to even play it in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>gt</span>.<br /> <br /> That will make a big difference somewhere...so basically we havent even seen the list yet.<br /> <br /> Looks like simply another space marine list so far, nothing cheesy or "super powered" about it.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:31:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I used the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>GT</span> as a refference but if was to play in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>GT</span> I would probably drop the sternguard and a razorback (beleive it or not the sternhuard don't do that much they drop down kill or injure something and die.  They don't drop down to die letting the resst of my force advance unscathed instead they are actually "oh look infantry now all the guns in my army that were useless have something to  do!"  Failing that they get assulted and die.<br /> <br /> They really just give away 2-3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(316);'>KP</span>'s to kill a squad not worth it <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.<br /> <br /> New list updated.<br /> <br /> I find it suprising that you consider this an average marine army I would  consider that to be something like razorback spam or drop pod marines.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:02:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>yermom wrote:</cite><br /> I find it suprising that you consider this an average marine army I would  consider that to be something like razorback spam or drop pod marines.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's just nothing that innovative or surprising about it.  Nothing jumps out at me saying "I'm Awesome!"  2 vindies and 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>'s are a threat, sure, but there's just nothing cheesy here as you indicated in the title, least-wise nothing a handful of melta cannot handle.  I REALLY dont see anything "Uber" about the list.<br /> <br /> Again, not that its a BAD list or anything, I'm not trying to be insulting now.....]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:01:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Deadshane1]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why are you taking Kantor?<br /> <br /> Vulcan would be better with thunderhammers and meltaguns you are using.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:07:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Deadshane1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>yermom wrote:</cite><br /> I find it suprising that you consider this an average marine army I would  consider that to be something like razorback spam or drop pod marines.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's just nothing that innovative or surprising about it.  Nothing jumps out at me saying "I'm Awesome!"  2 vindies and 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>'s are a threat, sure, but there's just nothing cheesy here as you indicated in the title, least-wise nothing a handful of melta cannot handle.  I REALLY dont see anything "Uber" about the list.<br /> <br /> Again, not that its a BAD list or anything, I'm not trying to be insulting now.....</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Okay it's not like i'm here to change your opinion on marine power builds just to get some critiques on the list and find out what builds would be able to beat this, no offence taken.<br /> <br /> I chose Kantor because he...<br /> A.  gives a 12" bubble of awesomeness<br /> B.  has a power fist something that will help against nob bikers and monsterous creatures<br /> C.  Vulkans abilty only applies if I replace chapter tactics and chapter tactics is crucial due to all of this short ranged firepower.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:00:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ yermom]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>yermom wrote:</cite><br /> <br /> Okay it's not like i'm here to change your opinion on marine power builds just to get some critiques on the list and find out what builds would be able to beat this, no offence taken.<br /> <br /> I chose Kantor because he...<br /> A.  gives a 12" bubble of awesomeness<br /> B.  has a power fist something that will help against nob bikers and monsterous creatures<br /> C.  Vulkans abilty only applies if I replace chapter tactics and chapter tactics is crucial due to all of this short ranged firepower.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> do you mean combat tactics?<br /> <br /> you do realise that pedro replaces combat tactics with stubbon right? you dont get the choice. in which case, instead of breaking from combat so the rest of your army can shoot the enemy, you will stay there.<br /> <br /> either way, there is nothing particularly powerful about this list. yeah, it has some good stuff in it, but thats not hard. why one of your 10 man tacticals doesnt have a special and a heavy weapon is beyond me (theyre free!). there arent any sternguard in the list (maybe there were before, but you should probabaly remove references to them). appart from your small terminator squad, youre not very good in combat. you have basically no ranged anti-tank (2 lascannon at 1750pts is not nearly enough, and no, vindis dont count). the thing you care passable at doing is killing horde. this is the sort of list <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>id</span> expect from the guy down at the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>FLGS</span> that thinks he can make a good army.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:18:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Regwon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Fair enough if you feel that way.  Kantor doesn't HAVE to replace combat tactics does he so I may just use Vulkan or a plain old chapter master.<br /> <br /> 2 las cannons, 2 melta guns, 2 ramming landraiders, and yes 2 vindicaters do count.  I feel this enough anti tank.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:23:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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