http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/8.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CSM Black Legion and Chaos Daemons. I especially enjoy how the armies work perfectly together in APOC. This coming year I plan to buy and build a 3rd army. I love the new Marines Codex. As a CSM player, I'm especially jeleous of the 12 person Land Raiders, Drop Pods, new Storm Shields, Combat Tactics, and Special Characters. And I have always wanted to build and use land speeders.

I want to build a Vanilla Marine army, play using the new Vanilla Marine Codex, but have everything look Chaos Black legion. I know this is far from original, but when I bring it up among players at GW stores, they say it would be beardy or not up to fluff.

Would anybody have any problems with playing a person who uses Chaos "looking" Vanilla marines?

I'm especially eager to make a Nurgle Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminator squad by mixing vanilla termies, FW Nurgle conversion kits, and Fantasy Chaos Knights sheilds. All riding in a Nurgle LR Redeemer with FW doors. Led by a Nurgle Lysander.

Anyone have any other good conversion ideas for this project?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/473935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/473935.page GMT SM codex is better for making Tzeentch lists than the current CSM codex. The cult stuff is all represented better by new SM stuff.

Your friends don't want you to do this because they know that your army will be tougher to beat as a SM army rather than a CSM army right now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/473941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/473941.page GMT
Ive got a squad of sisters of battle painted up like noise marines that I bust out with my CSM. Ive also got plane marines painted DA green with Alpha legion shoulder pads and free hand chaos undivided starts on the other shoulders to represent them being in disguise for my FW renegades list]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/474123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/474123.page GMT IG dex. Just make sure you opponent knows your playing a 'marine" army and using just the marine dex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476298.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476316.page GMT Like the Iron Warriors (master of the forge and artillery),
Alpha Legion (Pedro Cantor + "scout" auxiliaries),
and especially the Night Lords (hmmm, Shriek & Khan strike force?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/476334.page GMT GW guys in the groin. My SM chapter looks VERY chaosy. its in their fluff, they actually take good armor and the like off of dead chaos marines to repair their own. anywho, who cares what they look like. sure maybe if you used nids for that i could see the problem. other then that just punch them in the teeth]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/477400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/477400.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/477402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/477402.page GMT GW store because they want him to go all out and buy a trunk load of vanilla marine models ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484663.page GMT
Thalor]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484677.page GMT I'd rather see someone fighting with some CSM, that fight like Space Marines, because they are a special infiltration group or something similar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/484680.page GMT CSM tactics. I don't think a deamon prince would ever hang out with any marines who just went chaos within the past 5 years or so, he's got more devoted minions to boss around.

I play Black Legion, so I guess my fluff would be that Abaddon has recently defeated a chapter of regular marines, and offered the survivors their lives if they pledged their souls to him. Then he quickly subjected them to the powers of the warp. Exposing some assault terminators to nurgle's rot, and letting his more crazed chaos marines try their hand at piloting landspeeders and such. Then sends them out to earn their respect from him by waging war across the galaxy in his name, while he uses his more familiar CSM armies to wage his important campaigns. I should think up some more back story. Any ideas?



And to clear things up, my friends are not the ones complaining about this project of mine. They fully support it. It's the strangers I talk to at GW stores, and a few Red Shirts to be exact. First they misinterpret my project- they think that I somehow want to get away with having vanilla marine units and CSM units in the same list, like using sternguard and Oblits together. Or Landspeeders and Daemon Princes in the same list. After I assured them that this was not my intention, they simply say that it's beardy or not fluff correct. They said they would frown on or complain about such an army.

The opinions of strangers is never going to sway me whether I start this project or not, but I just wanted to get the feeling of this forum, seems like my local GW stores are full of idiots. Although Black Shirt Dave at Echelon Village in NJ is an awesome guy!

What will sway me is money, and the fact that I already have two 3000+pt armies and only play about a game a week. I should really concentrate on finishing the painting of my two armies and getting in more games. But I think that my Nurgle Thunder hammer/stormshield termies in a nurlge LR redeemer is definitely going to happen...even if they only see the light of day in an APOC game.

Thanks for your comments and opinions guys. And thanks for the encouragement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/486114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/486114.page GMT As for the fluff above, that's short but sweet. I could imagine that happening. And I'd love to see those Nurgle Assault termies. That would be really cool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/486199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/486199.page GMT
I'm going to convert and greenstuff the Redeemer to have Pus Cannon side sponsons instead of flamestorm cannons, with tubes running to them from leaking drums of nurlge goodness. I'll post pics as I work on them.

I guess next on my list will be 4 Land Speeders, 2 whirlwinds, a techmarine to be a corrupt master of the Forge, and a Lysander to cover with nurgle boils and sores.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/570668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/570668.page GMT CSM can't use SM equipment or vice-versa.. In the codices it says that squads, companies and chapters have gone over to chaos. My CSM army has a good mix CSM, SM models with bitz swapping. I don't see a reason why fluff effects how you paint your models anyway. Someone told me that I couldn't paint chaos termies up in smurf blue, I said what ever and painted them anyway! Just be sure to stomp any nay sayers armies in a battle! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/570855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/224419/570855.page GMT