<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty)."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
I want something thats a bit more proactive, I want to start a new army but have this one be more assault oriented. I am looking for some advice as you what you all would recomend be cause right now I am kind of at an impass.

Edit added Chaos daemons to the poll for those of you who prefer them. added 2 more poll options BA and BT]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/493997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/493997.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). SM, Chaos, or Eldar lists that are fairly potent in close combat. It really depends on what you prefer in terms of mdoels, style and fluff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494006.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Orc bikers are alot of fun I have messed around with that list before.

Thank you for response, any one else have any thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494010.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494055.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Centurian99 wrote:Best assault army in the game right now is Chaos Daemons.


o.O really cause all the lists i have seen get the crap kicked out of them

I really like deamons but the whole spliting your army in half and coming in in waves really sux since a majority of them only have 5+ invulns and though they can take any hit and hypothetically not die they die really easily from things like lasgun fire.

Do you have a particular list i can look at cause I have the Daemons codex and was thourally unimpressed at the per unit point cost of the models you get and the complete lack of survivability they have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494139.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Otherwise i would look at a Khorne like assaulty army using Berzerkers and possessed with rhinos for fast transport or just a metal wall in front of the troops. It works pretty well from my experience playing against it so long as the troops make it into CC. I've seen it have issues with really shooty armies before though, especially tao]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494145.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Zhetsuken wrote:I have the Daemons codex and was thourally[sic] unimpressed at the per unit point cost of the models you get and the complete lack of survivability they have.


You might want to look again. Chaos daemons have the best units, point for point, of any army in the game. Why do you think they never have more than half or two thirds of them on the table at a time, and still win?

I've watched both plaguebearer and bloodcrusher units withstand the fire of entire armies, let alone the monstrous creatures and AV13 walkers. Daemons takes some psychological fortitude though, to watch your 3 or 4 units stare down his entire army. I promise every game you play as daemons, you will be losing HARD the first two turns, but it generally turns around in the last two or three. This will be the case with all assaulty armies, but it's particularly prevalent with daemons as you'll always be dealing with a steady flow of reinforcements.

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I have seen a Daemon player start with just 3 models on the table in a 3k point game and win by the 4th turn with 1k points still in reserve.

However i have also sen that same army turned to mush because of a lack of terrain that allowed some pretty nasty shooting in the start of the game and took them out by the end of the second turn]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494153.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Thus far I have played around 7 matches against 3 different attempts at Chaos Daemons lists at my local gaming club and I wiped them off the board, I am Tau so I have alot of shots and a decent amount of them ap 2 and below and it just seemed like Daemons don;t have anything to stand up to that even well played marines seemed to just mow them over like grass.

Thanks for the responses thus far all, I do really appreciate it.

If some one can post a competative 1750 daemons list before tomorrow I will test it out when I am at my gaming club tomorrow and return with feed back.
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HQ
Great Unclean One w/ cloud of flies
Great Unclean One w/ cloud of flies

Elites
6 Fiends
6 Fiends

Troops
9 Plaguebearers w/ icon
9 Plaguebearers
8 Horrors w/ changeling
9 Bloodletters

Heavy Support
Soul Grinder w/ tongue
Soul Grinder w/ tongue
Soul Grinder w/ tongue
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HQ
Bloodthirster - Unholy Might 270

Elite
5 Bloodcrushers of Khorne 200
5 Bloodcrushers of Khorne 200

Troops
Plaguebearer x12 icon 205
Plaguebearer x12 icon 205
Plaguebearer x11 icon 190

Heavy Support
Soul Grinder - Phlegm 160
Soul Grinder - Phlegm 160
Soul Grinder - Phlegm 160


try this, or cut the 3rd grinder and some plaguebearers (go for 2 bigger groups, I'd say), and pick up a 2nd 'thirster.
-Plaguebearers take objectives, absorb charges, and tie up ouchie units like TH/SS termies, berserkers, and so on. they do a good job of tying up those hated oblits/lash sorcerers too.
-grinders template infantry, or sit in the middle of 30 boy mobs. PK nobs aren't even much of a threat to AV13, WS3 or otherwise. Or they rip open tanks, particularly transports.
-crushers assault the face off anyone, especially MEQs.
-thirster maims tanks, and abuses the WS10 vs. WS4 for 5+ to hit. Do that against anything besides 30 boy mobs. Even they get mashed kinda quick though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494180.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494187.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). Take an Archon, three Wych squads in Raiders, several Sniper squads, Raider squads, and three Ravagers.
DE eats those Daemon armies for breakfast. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494199.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). DE army for the OP:

Archon w/ agonizer, splinter pistol, shadow field, combat drugs, plasma grenades - 138

3x Wych squad - 699
9 Wyches w/ wych weapons, blaster x2
1 Succubus w/ agonizer, trophy rack
Raider

Warp Beast pack - 51
1 Beastmaster
3 Beasts

3x Sniper squad - 300
10 Warriors w/ dark lance x2

3x Ravager - 315

Total: 1503 pts.

For larger point games, add Raider squads: 10 Warriors w/ blaster, splinter cannon, Raider.
A Sybarite w/ agonizer is optional. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494496.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Thats to every one above again for the ideas I really appreciate it.

[Edit] : I see a problem with your list after looking at the DE codex the Warp beast are elites and so are the wyches you can't have 4 elite choices. But I get the basic idea and will give it a try.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494736.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494812.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Even shooty nid units are better in combat than most combat oriented armies, the basic stats for warriors and the mcs for example are just as good as assault marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/494836.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Zhetsuken wrote:Thanks for the post wuestenfux I will test that army out when I have a chance.

Thats to every one above again for the ideas I really appreciate it.

[Edit] : I see a problem with your list after looking at the DE codex the Warp beast are elites and so are the wyches you can't have 4 elite choices. But I get the basic idea and will give it a try.


They don't count against the allowed number of elites.

I agree, Daemons are the best assault. Well, most of the time. They either win by alot, or lose by alot. They are pretty unforgiving, but definately the most fun army hands down. Go for them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495043.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495062.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). CSM too, though I prefer the cults) with Icons is very nice.Should the Termies have I5, 3 base attacks, a 4+ inv, or T5? Whatever you feel like today.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495071.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/224271.page I thought it would just be fun. It was a blast but also had allot of power I wasn't expecting. Tons of maneuverability and great HtH. You can really control your opponent with this one. It does have some weakness however. Don't be fooled by the low phase out number. If you play even remotely smart your crons are all but untouchable until everything else is dead. This one will turn quite a few heads as well as confusing your opponent. If you wanna be different and have a rare themed army give this a shot. Hard to build is the biggest problem with this army. FYI.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495088.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/495142.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). CSM Khorne and CSM twin lash abuse, Grey Knight terminator sheild wall, and I tried alot of odd CHaos Daemons lists including the blood crusher horde.

In light of all those tests I think I am going to go with Chaos Space Marines for my next army.

Twin lash is just such a potent tool for an assault based army, as far as I can tell nothing beats manuvering you apponents models to your advantage. No I do not mean it is unbeatable I just mean having minor controll over your opponents forces is a tool no other army really has. It forces them to be on the defensive even when they are normally on the offensive.

The list I am going to be working from is 2 winged lash princes, 15 terminators PF's combi meltas reaper auto cannons, 30 Khorne Berserkers, 2-3 obliterators

Thanks for all the opinions and input I really appreciated it everyone.
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The list I am going to be working from is 2 winged lash princes, 15 terminators PF's combi meltas reaper auto cannons, 30 Khorne Berserkers, 2-3 obliterators

I run a similar list, 2 winged DPs, 10 Termies, 3x8 Noise Marines, 6 Obliterators. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496410.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496422.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Brother Condon wrote:you should do templar ! J/K

My EC army ate BT at several occations. Possibly you run a more competitive BT army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496425.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Brother Condon wrote:you should do templar ! J/K


Nah can't bring my self to do the whole good marine thing. I want cranky and mean not pious and perterbed.

You gonna be at HT next weekend cause this list is what I will be playing and I would love to see how they work against BT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496428.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
wuestenfux wrote:
The list I am going to be working from is 2 winged lash princes, 15 terminators PF's combi meltas reaper auto cannons, 30 Khorne Berserkers, 2-3 obliterators

I run a similar list, 2 winged DPs, 10 Termies, 3x8 Noise Marines, 6 Obliterators.


LOL you don't think your over doing it a bit on the Obliterators?? I mean they are point for point the best Heavy support choice in the game but still thats a bit of over kill don't ya think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496430.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). BT. we don't need two bt players at our club]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496435.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). poor guy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496439.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). lol

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Brother Condon wrote:do a vampire count meats blood angels counts as army, that'd be a cool pious meets nasty and mean


I will get right on that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496445.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty).
Zhetsuken wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
The list I am going to be working from is 2 winged lash princes, 15 terminators PF's combi meltas reaper auto cannons, 30 Khorne Berserkers, 2-3 obliterators

I run a similar list, 2 winged DPs, 10 Termies, 3x8 Noise Marines, 6 Obliterators.


LOL you don't think your over doing it a bit on the Obliterators?? I mean they are point for point the best Heavy support choice in the game but still thats a bit of over kill don't ya think?


For a competetive army no, 6 is about right (and according to some, 6 is the minimum ). Some even play 9 Oblits. They do this or the exact reason you stated, they're the best HS option available and they synergize extremely well with Lash (well, just aobut everything does its ludacris). Other really cool things with Lash are Vindicators and Defilers since yo ucan use lash to bunch the opposing unit together, then drop pie plates on them after.

I've been experimenting with a lot of lists as well lately, and I will most likely be building something Dual Lash for my next army (I'm looking at Plague Marines, Termies and Oblits though).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496787.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). For a competetive army no, 6 is about right (and according to some, 6 is the minimum ). Some even play 9 Oblits. They do this or the exact reason you stated, they're the best HS option available and they synergize extremely well with Lash (well, just aobut everything does its ludacris). Other really cool things with Lash are Vindicators and Defilers since yo ucan use lash to bunch the opposing unit together, then drop pie plates on them after.

I've been experimenting with a lot of lists as well lately, and I will most likely be building something Dual Lash for my next army (I'm looking at Plague Marines, Termies and Oblits though).

Fair enough my mind set is towards an assault based list though and if my oblits take ou my opponent before I get to charge them I am gonna be sad thus only 3 in my list plus with the test games I have done with this list no one shoots at the oblits they are far too concerned with the termies and DP's in their face tearing stuff up so my obs are free to loot and pillage my opponents army it is kind of funny.

but yes if you are going fo sheer kill power 6-9 is about right that many plasma cannons on 2-4 units you lashed together will devestate them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/496912.page GMT Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). CSM army, then take 2x2 Obliterators. They are able to silence guns from tanks while your assaulty army advances towards the enemy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/497860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/497860.page GMT Re:Thinkign of starting a new army (assaulty). Only having lost 1 game.

Mass up on Khorne beserkers in rhinos and watch your opponents Face as you zoom up 12" deploy out 2" run d6" and then be ready to charge with 40+ beserkers turn 2.

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Ænema wrote:
Mass up on Khorne beserkers in rhinos and watch your opponents Face as you zoom up 12" deploy out 2" run d6" and then be ready to charge with 40+ beserkers turn 2.


Well, plain and simple. But it won't work against a very mobile army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/497906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/225676/497906.page GMT