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				<description><![CDATA[ So, I don't know what points cost the game will be yet, but it'll be at least 5000pts/side.  I'm taking on my two buddies, they're playing Empire and Daemonic Legions, I'm taking High Elves.  I also dont know what my list is yet.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure how I should approach this, or what I should take.  I have at least one unit of everything in the High Elf range.  I've already posted a *rough* estimate of what I have at my disposal models wise on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span> Army List board for reference.  I've reproduced that here for ease.  I'm not sure how I should approach the game itself, strategically.  Obviously we dont know what the mission would be, either.  The Empire player has almost everything in the model range, as does the Daemonic Legions player (the Daemon player has a tendancy t favour Khorne, with his unit of 8 Bloodcrushers), but the Empire player may be able to talk some sense into him.  Who knows?  So basically, given my potential units below, what sort of approach should I take while in game?<br /> <br /> Lords/heroes<br /> -Tyrion<br /> -Teclis<br /> -2 Dragons (one with a lord, one unmounted, with some options as to what I could use with it) - well, another one unassembled.  I like Dragons, what can I say?<br /> -4 nobles/princes (Blind Eltharion model and a hero character on foot; 2 mounted heroes)<br /> -5 Mages (3 on foot, 2 mounted)<br /> <br /> Core<br /> 72 Archers<br /> 90 Spearmen (I think)<br /> <br /> Special<br /> 21 Silverhelms<br /> 18 Ellyrion Reavers<br /> 40 Swordmasters<br /> 20 White Lions<br /> 25 Phoenix Guard<br /> 15 Dragon Princes<br /> 20 Shadow Warriors<br /> 3 Chariots<br /> <br /> Rare<br /> 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(424);'>RBTs</span><br /> 3 Eagles<br /> <br /> I'm fairly sure that's everything I own.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ First off make sure magic is capped at a reasonable level. It quickly gets out of hand, especially with Tzeentch <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(540);'>DL</span>.<br /> <br /> Tyrion and 2 lords on dragons combocharging should smash that bloodcrusher unit without breaking a sweat.<br /> <br /> Teclis is essential in large scale games. He is super awesome but you struggle to fit in the rest of the army in smaller games.<br /> <br /> Eltharion on foot is another great character. Mage, great fighter, ward save.<br /> <br /> Make 1 level 2 mage carry staff of sorcery to get +2 dispel.<br /> Rest of them carry dispel scrolls.<br /> <br /> Good luck. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:21:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Waaagh_Gonads]]></author>
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				<title>Re:5000+ HE vs Empire/Daemonic Legions tactics</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I could be wrong, but isn't the fact that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> brought back Eltharion the Grim (mounted on Griffon) mean that the Eltharion on foot model is "With opponents' permission only"?<br /> <br /> I actually have 6 mages---3 on foot, 2 mounted, 1 Teclis.  hehehe...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:12:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ General_K]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I ran some numbers quickly and Its either Tyrion (almost indestructable) and a lord on dragon or 2 lords on dragons (the second lord gets heaps more attacks)<br /> <br /> Problem is there is so much good stuff in the characters you quickly run out of army.<br /> <br /> The eltharion model on foot is useable. Its what he is and they give rules for him on foot. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:43:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Waaagh_Gonads]]></author>
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				<title>Re:5000+ HE vs Empire/Daemonic Legions tactics</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ where do they give rules for him on foot?  the old <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(143);'>WD</span> where they gave rules for him and Malus Darkblade?  Those rules would have been overidden by the new HE book and new edition of Warhammer.<br /> <br /> I'm currently looking at Tyrion, Teclis, 2 Lords on Dragons, 2 nobles, 3 mages and a dragon mage.  a bit much in characters, eh?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:48:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ General_K]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In his bestiary page <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>Pg</span> 69 HE book: Eltharion may ride his griffon, Stormwing.<br /> <br /> Then in the army list on page 90 his listing has 'May ride Stormwing 205 points'<br /> <br /> So you can take him on foot.<br /> There is an official Eltharion on foot model.<br /> It would look slowed if you took the mtd eltharion and stuck him on a 20mm base...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 1 Jan 2009 02:42:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
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