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trying to cut down to 2000 points (CSM)

Kilrath — GMT

My army list is currently as follows:

HQ
Chaos Lord w/ mark of khorne, Plasma Pistol, Daemon weapon 155 pts
Sorcerer w/ Mark of Slaanesh and lash of submission 125 pts

Troop
15x Chaos Marines w/ 2 heavy bolters, icon of Tzeentch and an aspiring champ w/ power fist 325 pts
10x Berserkers w/ personal icon and aspiring champ w/ power weapon 245 pts

Elite
Dreadnought w/ twin-linked autocannon and extra armor 125 pts
(2x) 5x Terminators w/ 2x chain fist, combi-flamer, reaper autocannon 210 (2x)

Heavy
3x Obliterators 225 pts
Land Raider w/ combi-flamer and daemonic possession 250 pts

Fast attack
6x Bikes w/ champ, power weapon, meltabombs and icon of chaos glory 253 pts

The idea i was kind of going for here was use the bikes to get in close fast and drop the obliterators flanking the opponent or on top of some tanks to get rid of them. After that the Sorc can use the lash to pull enemy infantry towards me so i can hopefully charge it with my berserkers while the marines lay down some fire to get rid of anything possible. Terminators also deep strike in based on the position of enemy tanks and use the chain fists to tear them apart.

Total points at the moment is 2123 so i need to cut about 120 points but i would like some advice as to where to cut them.
I was thinking of just dropping the sorcerer and letting that deal with the issue but i don't know if it would be to my advantage to do so.

Re:trying to cut down to 2000 points (CSM)

Typeline — GMT

Kilrath wrote:
HQ
Chaos Lord w/ mark of khorne, Plasma Pistol, Daemon weapon 155 pts
Sorcerer w/ Mark of Slaanesh and lash of submission 125 pts

Troop
15x Chaos Marines w/ 2 heavy bolters, icon of Tzeentch and an aspiring champ w/ power fist 325 pts
10x Berserkers w/ personal icon and aspiring champ w/ power weapon 245 pts

Elite
Dreadnought w/ twin-linked autocannon and extra armor 125 pts
(2x) 5x Terminators w/ 2x chain fist, combi-flamer, reaper autocannon 210 (2x)

Heavy
3x Obliterators 225 pts
Land Raider w/ combi-flamer and daemonic possession 250 pts

Fast attack
6x Bikes w/ champ, power weapon, meltabombs and icon of chaos glory 253 pts

Drop the Lord, he will be useless. Also Your 15x CSMs can't have 2x Heavy Bolters. If your trying to build your list in a competitive manner I'd suggest a few of the following changes that won't bland it up too much.

HQ:
Sorc, MoS, LoS 125 pts

Troops:
10x CSM, HB, Champ w/ PF 200
10x Zerkers, Champ w/ PW 240 pts

Elites:
Dreadnought, twin-linked autocannon and extra armor 125
5x Termies, 2x Chain Fist, Combi-Flamer, Reaper Autocannon 210
5x Termies, 2x Chain Fist, Combi-Flamer, Reaper Autocannon 210

Heavy:
3x Oblits 225
3x Oblits 225
Land Raider, Havoc Launcher, Daemonic Possession 255

I removed the bikers because they are overcosted and under effective. This list leaves you with 185 points to play with. You could use this for a second HQ choice or another dread. If you really like dreads and don't mind them being a little unpredictable sometimes you could always run three in kind of a dread squad. So if any of them fire frenzy they can only shoot each other. Something like remove the previous dread and add

Dread, ML/DCCW w/ Heavy Flamer 105
Dread, ML/DCCW w/ Heavy Flamer 105
Dread, ML/DCCW 100

If any of them freak out on each other they can use their small blast setting and can't damage any of the others. While at the same time are no slouches in HtH with Heavy Flamers and DCCWs.

If you like Khorne a lot you could always run Kharn and give your sorc wings with the extra 20 pts laying around.

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BillTheManiac — GMT

Drop the chaos lord, buy 30 points of whatever.

That's if you want the list to remain as close as possible.

You can upgrade the sorcerer to a DP.

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Kilrath — GMT

Ok, the heavy bolters was my fault. I read the entry wrong >.<

As for the first list i kind of want to keep to what i already have for models (for the time being because of a lack of money) so i would only be able to field one of the squads of obliterators. Because of that i would need something to replace that 225 points from them (possibly adding another squad of berserkers or CSM). I also only have one dreadnought so i couldn't do the 3 dreadies at the moment.

I would like to keep a small bike squad if possible then just to use for the icon for deep striking in the terminators or obliterators if possible but i could see myself cutting down there pretty easily.

I guess that as of current i am looking at my list as follows:

HQ:
Sorc, MoS, LoS 125 pts

Troops:
10x CSM, HB, Meltagun, Champ w/ PF 210
10x Zerkers, Personal icon, Champ w/ PW 245 pts
10x Zerkers, Personal icon, Champ w/ PW 245 pts

Elites:
Dreadnought, twin-linked autocannon and extra armor 125
5x Termies, 2x Chain Fist, Combi-Flamer, Reaper Autocannon 210
5x Termies, 2x Chain Fist, Combi-Flamer, Reaper Autocannon 210

Heavy:
3x Oblits 225
Land Raider, Havoc Launcher, Daemonic Possession 255
Defiler, Havoc Launcher 155

The total now would be 2005 points.

Would you say this list looks better or are there still changes that you would recommend if and when i could make them?

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FITZZ — GMT

I would drop the dreadnought for a couple of rhinos for your berzerkers,but that's just my opinion.

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Kilrath — GMT

i could see that being a possibility against really shooty armies like tau or most of the eldar i have played against with my orks but i would think that against an assaulty army or a more balanced army more firepower will be concentrated on the defiler and Land Raider as well as the dreadnought than would be put into the 'zerkers.

Again though these are mostly just thoughts from my own experiences and games i have watched.

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wuestenfux — GMT

The latter list looks better. As FITZZ said, the Berzerkers need transports.
I don't like the footslogging Sorcerer. To keep him alive, you better join him the CSM squad deployed in the backfield (on an objective if possible).

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Kilrath — GMT

That was kind of my plan for the Sorc just to keep him out of the line of fire for the most part. Also, in interests of getting a transport, where would you suggest i cut some points? (only need 70 or so to get the rhinos)

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wuestenfux — GMT

You could drop one Obliterator.

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Kilrath — GMT

i was going to worry about the potential loss of AT there but i suppose with 4 chainfists, a land Raider, and a defiler still there it wouldn't make to major of an impact to the overall effectiveness of my AT. Chances are, it would drastically increase the effectiveness of the 'Zerkers because they could get into combat that much sooner but do i really need lash at that point or do i just slightly modify my use of it to keep the fights to my advantage?

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wuestenfux — GMT

I'd let the Sorcerer run with one Berzerker squad if the CSM squad is deployed in the back field, since the lash has limited range.
In that way, the Sorcerer can disembark (with the Zerks), lash an opponent unit that can then be charged by the Terminators riding the LR.

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Kilrath — GMT

More likely than me using the LR to transport the terminators around is that i will deep-strike them along with the obliterators into the battle near enemy armor wherever possible. I forsee a couple of chainfists doing some pretty nasty tank busting.

Also if i am going to be having the sorc up with one of the 'Zerkers squads i think i'm going to have to drop a zerker in one so i can actually use the rhino. I was thinking that with the extra 20 pts i could give the CSM squad the icon of slaanesh for the extra initiative for the eventuality that they end up assaulting or being assaulted.

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Typeline — GMT

I forgot to mention not to deep strike the obliterators or the termies. It's not a good idea. You want them on the table the entire game shooting things to death.

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MJThurston — GMT

Drop the dread.

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Kilrath — GMT

If i drop the dread should i run another terminator squad and drop the squad size to four or should i add the third obliterator back in and grab a couple more marines?

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MJThurston — GMT

I'd take your first list and drop the dread and bikes. Then i'd add another LR. GIve the leaders TA and drop the Termi's to 4 per squad. Load up the LR with Termies and IC's. I'd also think of two whips or take MofS with DW on the other guy. Hitting on Init 6 and sucking up all wounds is great.

Now go have some fun.

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Kilrath — GMT

well like i said before, i'm trying to keep with stuff i have for the moment because of a lack of money, though i could take my old LR from my orks army and modify it for chaos use.

Also giving TA to the sorc and Lord sounds ok but in that case i was thinking of using them with the terminators at full strength to give them the few extra wounds to soak before my hq can be hit and if i do use MoS and take the blissgiver it could also make a rather nice addition to a zerker squad against multi wound units.

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MJThurston — GMT

I also like to take the reaper autocannon out of the termies. I put combi weapons on the guys.

1 w/ PW combie melta
1 w/ PW combie plasma
1 w/ PF combie plasma
1 w/ CF combie plasma

Do two of these units. This way you can pretty much own a unit in shooting then assault.