http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net List A
HQ
Vulkan He´stan

Librarian
Gate of infinity
The avenger

Troops
Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Missile Launcher
Power fist
Combi melta

Drop pod, locator

Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Plasma Cannon
Power fist
Combi melta-

Drop pod, locator


Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Missile Launcher
Power fist
Combi melta

Drop pod


Elite
Sternguard
5x Sternguard
Power Fist -
6x Combi melta
2x Heavy flamer

Drop pod, locator beacon


Sternguard
5x Sternguard
Power Fist
7x Combi melta
2x Heavy flamer

Drop pod, locator beacon

5x Assault Terminators TH/SS

List A here have Counter assault cababilty trough the Assault terminators, altough they are only very effective against Elite melee opponents like nobz, other terminators, greater daemons and gak.

List B


HQ
Vulkan He´stan

Pedro Kantor

Troops
Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Missile Launcher
Power fist
Combi melta

Drop pod, locator

Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Plasma Cannon
Power fist
Combi melta-

Drop pod, locator


Tactical Squad
+ 5 marines
Melta gun
Missile Launcher
Power fist
Combi melta

Drop pod - 35pt


Elite
Sternguard
5x Sternguard
Power Fist -
6x Combi melta
2x Heavy flamer

Drop pod, locator beacon


Sternguard
5x Sternguard
Power Fist
7x Combi melta
2x Heavy flamer

Drop pod, locator beacon


3x Land Speeders with heavy flamers

List B lost the libby and the terminators but gained pedro kantor (mostly for his 1+ attack aura) and 3 land speeders for supreme anti horde killing. Melee cababilty is added (i hope) trough pedro kantors aura.

What do you guys like the most A or B? and why?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503001.page GMT tac squads to Multi Meltas. If you're podding in the range is much less of a problem and that AP1 is a huge deal since it lets glancing hits from the meltas still have a chance to kill tanks.

For the second list, you don't need 3x Tactical Squad since the Sternguard are scoring units from Pedro. Consider dropping a tac squad to get a unit of Assault Terminators or a couple of podding Dreadnoughts (personally, I'd go for the termies though).

In list B, I'm not sure of the point of the Land Speeders with HF, what do you plan to do with them? Between the Sternguard units, you have a rather solid amount of flamer templates and special ammo shots so you shouldn't be that worried about horde armies. I would recommend dreads but you're basically out of elite slots as it is. It sure seems like the money units for SM are all in the elite slots so its hard to cram them all in. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503093.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503154.page GMT
That said, I do agree that dropping a Tac squad and a Sternguard squad for a unit or two of termies and/or perhaps a dreanought would be good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503186.page GMT tac squad all your doing is removing a scoring threat & not making as many points in kills.

What does vulkan actually do in this list? TH's.. flamers? Or does it apply to melta weaponary too?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503191.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503295.page GMT HQ, you may be served better to add a chappy or libby. I think the days of having to choose a purpose for your army is reduced with the new codex, but if the shooty and close combat don't work well together, you'll run into trouble.
FWIW: I have had good luck with a libby with Force Dome joined to a unit of Sternguard to give them the 5+ invuln save and the Null Field to make your opponent re-roll successful invuln saves against your AP3/AP4 rounds. I have had a lot of success with a 9-man Sternguard + libby in a rhino. Two SG can shoot their weapons (& combi-meltas) out the top while driving around in the relative safety of the rhino. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/503311.page GMT Exchange Avenger for Force dome or Null zone

Multi meltas for the tacticals

And 2 Land speeders with Multi melta and 2 with heavy flamers (heavy flamers are just waaay too brutal with Vulkan to be ignored!) and i do already have ALOT of close range anti tank

edit: Oh and remove the terminators since they are too slow (have to make a 4+ reserve roll and even then they will only be able to charge in turn 3, often too late to save the other plastic dudes)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/504436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/504436.page GMT tac marines bring 2 units of 5 man scouts with camo cloaks, snipers and a ML and inflitrate them on odjectives in cover. Rest of the game deny the enemy movement by dropping the pods close together and making a nice wall.

I'd drop any flamers or heavy weapons on the sternguard. You pay so much per model for stern because of their special ammo type. Give them a Hvy Wpn and you just turned a expensive highly versatile model into a basic marine.

Also looking at your list your stern units have 5 guys in them. How do you fit 7 combi-melts and 2x Hvy Flamers in units of 5 guys?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505427.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505438.page GMT oh and heavy flamers are assault weapons and totally worth 10 points when considering that they are twinlinked. This gives me 30 Tactical marines for grapping objectives and 20 sternguards for killing stuff ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226235/505890.page GMT