<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/504689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/504689.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/504749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/504749.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it?
The only thing that makes me hesitate is the whole immobilized thing. Without a shooting upgrade, the unit is nearly worthless if it becomes immobilized. But if you're taking two grinders, the 50 points you'd spend to get shooting is not an insignificant amount of points. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505086.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505090.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? SG's with phlegm. The fact any opponent knows you'll have 2 large Pie's hitting him will be less likely to set up his forces in a castle on the first turn, therefore allowing you to target the weak points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/505153.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it?
Reaver83 wrote:I run two SG's with phlegm. The fact any opponent knows you'll have 2 large Pie's hitting him will be less likely to set up his forces in a castle on the first turn, therefore allowing you to target the weak points.


Yep, that's just it. Phlegm tends to work well with the rest of a daemon army configuration. Opponents worry about the large blast template, forcing them to consider deploying and maneuvering in ways that make the rest of a daemon army (deepstriking/assault oriented) work much more effectively.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508403.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? SG will have a big target painted on their foreheads so you have to ask yourself how much are you really willing to spend on something that might only last one turn. 185 points for a fully kitted out SG isn't too bad compared to a fully decked out DP at 215+ but vehicles popping to a single shot is rough.

Overall, my vote is Phlegm because it forces your opponent to spread out more and that in turn allows you to focus on a part of their army at a time. Assaulting their weak flank is one of the Daemon army's strong points and this helps to facilitate that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508487.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508487.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508503.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508569.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508569.page GMT Re:Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? SG's, assuming you run two Or a mix of both. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508645.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/508652.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? BS isnt as important as it is with a non scatter shot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/513159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/513159.page GMT Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/514607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/514607.page GMT Re:Soulgrinders. Is Phlegm worth it?
Peripheral bonuses:

Snipe IC's
Good shot vs. heavy armor
something to do when immobilized.

The main deal however is that its a way to get the enemy out of their rhinos. The difference between a Bloodcrusher unit charging a Berserker unit that just got blasted out of their rhinos and those same bloodcrushers charging the rhino, blowing it up and then getting counter charged is mind boggling.

Let me bold the bottom line:
Daemons have Very Few Ways to destroy Transports in the Shooting Phase.

Tongue is one of the only ones. It is completely critical. Without it you will be on the back foot in every encounter with Mech enemy's, you might as well take Furious Charge off of your Khorne units, cuz you won't be charging.

Edit: As for Phlegm, anything you can shoot with Phlegm you can charge with Demons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/514630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226345/514630.page GMT