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Chaos Lord x2 /w Mark of Slaneesh / Daemon Weapon / Combi-Flamer+Pistol / Wings = 330

Elites
Chaos Terminator Champions x4 /w Combi-Plasma x2 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta / Chainfist x3 = 240 *Led by Lord* - Deepstriking
Chaos Terminator Champions x4 /w Combi-Plasma x2 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta / Chainfist x3 = 240 *Led by Lord* - Deepstriking
Chaos Terminator Champions x5 /w Combi-Plasma x3 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta / Chainfist x5 = 300 - Deepstriking
1090

Troops
CSM x10 1-Flamer +5pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Plasma 45pts = 240pts - Assault Geared
CSM x10 1-Flamer +5pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Plasma 45pts = 240pts - Assault Geared
CSM x10 1-Melta +10pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Plasma 45pts = 245pts - Bolter Geared
CSM x8 Aspiring Champ /w Combi-Plasma +10pts, Chaos Glory +10pts, Melta +10pts. 165pts
2000 pts

This would have enough firepower to completely obliterate hordes, has enough anti-melee to flame away the green horde and enough anti AV14, including 2 terminator squads led by lords with 20 attacks + d6 attacks on the charge each, with 4+D6 inflicting instant death at Initiative 6, how would this fair against non hordes.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513578.page GMT AT at 2000pts. Your Chainfists are good against tanks yes, but you have to catch the tank to use them. You drop next to the tank and it moves 12" away, leaving you unable to charge it. You'll then be stuck chasing it around hopelessly or until the opposing player decides to let you have it. Personally, I would change the vast majority of the combi-plasmas for combi-meltas. The meltas will also be better against things like Nob Bikes (instant kill is so important vs them).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513600.page GMT CSM into plague marines. or khorne berserkers... those are also good, and with 2 squads of plagues and 1 of berserkers, you'd be pretty well off, i'd say. Against non-horde armies, as it stands, this list would be crushed, for non-horde armies are usually made up of landraiders or monoliths, or are mech tau or eldar. which you'll be so immobile to catch, they'll mop the floor with you. sorry for being brutally honest = /

oh, heavy flamer is a good choice. and you don't need to say "bolter geared" etc. they already have everything that it says they are equipped with (bolt pistols, bolters, frag and krak, and a close combat weapon... pretty good, eh?)... and I suggest tearing that combi plasma weapon off those rhinos, and giving a squad member one so he can use it more than once (even in the rhino, it has firing points) if you cannot afford it, meltaguns are better for that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513679.page GMT HQ
Chaos Lord x2 /w Mark of Slaneesh / Daemon Weapon / Melta Bombs / Combi-Flamer+Pistol / Wings = 330

Elites
Chaos Terminator Champions x4 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta x3 / Chainfist x3 = 240 *Led by Lord* - Deepstriking
Chaos Terminator Champions x4 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta x3 / Chainfist x3 = 240 *Led by Lord* - Deepstriking
Chaos Terminator Champions x5 / Heavy Flamer / Combi-Melta x4 / Chainfist x5 = 300 - Deepstriking
1090

Troops
CSM x10 1-Flamer +5pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Melta 45pts = 240pts
CSM x10 1-Flamer +5pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Melta 45pts = 240pts
CSM x10 1-Melta +10pts / Aspiring Champ - Bolt Pistol / Power Weapon +15pts / Chaos Glory +10pts + Rhino /w Combi-Melta 45pts = 245pts

Heavy Support
Obliterator x2
2000 pts

Ok now i have a total of 15 Melta Shots to bust open that AV14, and basically kill anything not immune to instant death at T4, any serious notable upgrades from this basic list?, removed the CSM 8 man squad, added 2 oblits and gave my chaos lords melta bombs incase 1 AV14 decides to try and run, they can chase it down and blow it up]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/513724.page GMT HQ on the field at the start? Having both of them deepstriking obviously stops that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/515641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/515641.page GMT HQ on the table.

I don't think this list is a power list. It is going to have problems manuevering around the field. Also Melta's are better than Combi-Meltas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/515651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/515651.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516008.page GMT
Whats the point of your lords? They cost a huge amount of points each for a model that wont do much. Terminator Sorcerers work out cheaper, can still one shot characters and have nice psychic powers. Demon Princes are also cheaper, can beat up vehicles and MCs and have nice psychic powers. Stay away from lords if you have the points to spend on HQ choices

Only 30 CSM isnt a lot at 2000pts. It will be all to easy to kill them through weight of fire and start forcing them to make break tests. Worse still is if they end up in combat because they will probably break and be run down.

Still only having 2 oblits and combi-meltas for anti-tank isnt enough. Against most mech armies your terminators wont come in in time before enemy transports have delivered their cargo on top of your 30 marines. By then all they have to go is break those squads under half strength and you will lose. Mech eldar and Mech Tau will wipe the floor with you.

Im not even sure you will go well against horde armies. Horde orks at 2000pts has around 90+ boyz + lootas + stormboyz. You cant put down enough fire power in the first couple of turns to deal with them before they get to you.

I like terminator heavy armies, but you need to back them up with decent range. At the moment you only have 2 guns that can fire over 24" and that isnt nearly enough.

I would change the lords for sorcerers if you still want them to DS (Mark of Slaanesh, Terminator Armour and Wind of Chaos or Lash. Saves you 60-80pts), beef up the other two terminator squads with the points you've saved the drop the 5 man terminator squad and pick up another 4 obliterators. That will give you more range to deal with threats on turn 1 as well as templates to deal with hordes while still keeping the hard hitting element of your terminators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516044.page GMT MEQ type units they have to deal with.

I'd probably switch the Lords for Lash Sorcerors (I know you probably don't want to play Lash but its that good) to save a bunch of points, and then consolidate the units of Termies into 2 larger units (probably 2 units of 7 with 4x combi-melta and 3x Chainfist). Let the Sorcerors join those units, and then they can still Deepstrike if they want to. If you have any extra points pick up more Oblits or a Vindicator, as well as a second assault weapon in each of your troops units (a second flamer for the flamer units and a second melta for the melta unit).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/226890/516122.page GMT