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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Any one else never use Special Characters"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Any one else never use Special Characters
I do it because I just feel that my army looses its flavor if I had calgar or shrike leading it and besides theres no hero who has a Honor Blade and Storm Shield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515800.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515829.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
they're great for APOC matches though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515831.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters SM book. So now shrike can be called Captain Eros, heroic commander of the 7th Assault Company of [insert chapter name here]. Then that doesnt interfere with your fluff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515888.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters HQ's. However I might be dumping that concept soon as i get time to expand my armies.

Tau - dont use them, they dont fit my design

DA - currently dont, I want to try DW/RW army at somepoint ergo I am forced to take Bael at the least, However I due use Ezekial as a librarian on occasion, and have Azeral bc I like the modle

Orks - probably going to eventually wind up getting Gaz and Stinkrot - my brother has Yarrik for his Guard and I like the fluff of the two titans clashing again.

Sry if its off topic a bit, was not sure if your only talking about vanilla SM or armies in general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515905.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters SM armies.

I have seen Mech Eldar lists without any special characters, I have seen IG without characters, I have seen Tau.

Of course any Ork or Space Marine list I have seen so far has at least one.

It depends on the list and what the player is trying to get out of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515955.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515990.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters SC's!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/515997.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
I think the problem with special characters, is they have no down side ... ok they cost alot, but they worth it ... but if you took X and couldn't take Y & Z people might think twice about them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516031.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516097.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516097.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
My Nids have none

My Eldar cant use any of the Special Characters since I run a Sam Hain list

My Tau have no room for Special Characters

My Guard need the points else where and those special characters dont have much utility in 5th.

It comes basically down to Marines and Orks as my marines require the buffs some of those characters give and with orks its the same thing.

The current design philosophy for 40k aims towards special characters that can buff the army or parts of it usually making them far superior to their normal counterparts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516104.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters HQ's because I feel they add to my armies flavor.
even though I own both the Ghazzie & Typhus models neither have ever seen any action on the table.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516164.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters HQ (and other) choices which are named, unique Independent Characters. But Special Characters - like characters requiring an army of a specific size - are going the way of the dodo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516205.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters
besides, a KFF mek is far more important then what the special characters give me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516268.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters

thehod wrote:The current design philosophy for 40k aims towards special characters that can buff the army or parts of it usually making them far superior to their normal counterparts.

hits the nail on the head. the older special characters were generally pretty powerful uber-units, but the latest crop seems to be more along the lines of army-customization choices. They replaced chapter traits with a character that gives an army special ability. You pay a little more than a chump commander with similar gear, and you get an ability across your whole army. I fully believe that the new generation of special characters will fall into this category, and we will start to see this with the next few codexes.

I used to avoid using special characters completely. Khan is the first I have used with regularity, and the only way for me to play "White scars" as opposed to "chumps on bikes." His army special ability is useful, but I do not believe it is game breaking. His close combat ability is decent, but not really much above that of any other commander or substantially lower, as I would otherwise give my capt. a relic blade. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516442.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters HQ choices.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516506.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters

Wakinglimb wrote:I prefer to use the extra points elsewhere and go with tooled up standard HQ choices.

In all fairness, special characters tend to deliver more than their point value would suggest. If you kit out a normal HQ and try to duplicate wargear and approximate value of special abilities, he's probably going to cost more and do less than the "special character". Prime examples: Kairos, Vulkan, Grotsnik, etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516596.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
why use someone else's vision of awesome when you can create your own?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516607.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters

somecallmeJack wrote:back when I was a n00b I had the inevitable love affair with special characters, but for a long time now Ive considered their use as something that detracts from a well fluffed out army.

why use someone else's vision of awesome when you can create your own?

Because of the way that "named" characters offer things that can't otherwise be gotten, or because of the way that they change the flavor of your army to more accurately reflect the vision of what you want to play. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516644.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters SC in the 1.5 to 2K games area.

For my daemons, I've flirted with Skulltaker (fun but not really usefull) and also the Masque (jury's out on how usefull she is) And I'll be honest I do have a LOC I'll be converting into fateweaver, as he's just too good!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516649.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters

Centurian99 wrote:

somecallmeJack wrote:back when I was a n00b I had the inevitable love affair with special characters, but for a long time now Ive considered their use as something that detracts from a well fluffed out army.

why use someone else's vision of awesome when you can create your own?

hmm, youre right, I s'pose. I still haven't had chance to get a game in in 5th. I still think in terms of 3rd. tis a learning curve

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sourclams wrote:

Wakinglimb wrote:I prefer to use the extra points elsewhere and go with tooled up standard HQ choices.

You're always paying something for a special rule (apart from maybe with cassius). I just find that the rule is never really worth it unless you theme your whole army around it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516753.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516900.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516908.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters BA army. You can definitely build a generic captain that is better BUT seeing that Tycho was originally a generic captain that somehow became a special character I can't help but love him. Obviously in a big tournament I will field Dante or Mephiston but some people besides myself also appreciate Captain Tycho as well.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/516930.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters thought they'd only be of use in big points games or even
apocalypse.Most players have only got time for on average,
1500-2000pt games.Why invest so much in a character who will
become target number one,and when he's obliterated that
will be a huge chunk of your force gone.Marine forces are
specialised and when one part is destroyed you are in
trouble!Double that if you spend a lot of points on a
character.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517780.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters

lifeafter wrote:Vulkan has a strength 6 weapon and a 3+ invul. It's not an honor blade and storm shield, but it's effectively the same.

I'm making count's as models for every SC (yes... i'm an addict) and my plan for vulkan is a storm shield and a BIG

ing sword

And mr. OP, you can convert the SC's to fit your fluff better, so the ultramarines kantor model that I made for my friend is proudly standing on top of a carnifex head, with ultramarines stuff all over him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517852.page GMT Re:Any one else never use Special Characters

Slipstream wrote:I've never been tempted to use special characters,I've always
thought they'd only be of use in big points games or even
apocalypse.Most players have only got time for on average,
1500-2000pt games.Why invest so much in a character who will
become target number one,and when he's obliterated that
will be a huge chunk of your force gone.Marine forces are
specialised and when one part is destroyed you are in
trouble!Double that if you spend a lot of points on a
character.

Ok... lets use the SM's as examples ok?

1) Cassius, if you erally need a chaplain on a bike, or flying through the sky you've been left high and dry my friend, as the 25 points you pay for:

FNP
Shooting wounds on a 2+
toughness 6
combi-flamer
re-rolling shooting attacks... is a bargain.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517860.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
1. DA I don't.
2. Eldar I have played around with them but other than fluffy phoenix lords never used them.
3. Tyranids... never
4. BA never
5. CSM ... never

They are invariably a 20 to 100% cost over a generic and especially at the lower point totals, a big drain on the composition of the army... 100 pts on a character can almost be a 3rd vindicator or extra dreadnought.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/517882.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
My Eldar army is somewhat reaper orientated and therefore I sometimes use Maugan Ra with additional Reapers. But it's more of a fun army I play form time to time.

I would never use Eldrad for example because he doesn't fit in my theme at all...

Greets
Schepp himself
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I use Snikrot in my Ork army, but no one else.

In my upcoming Space Marine army, I plan to bring Vulcan He'Stan to almost all of my games. His twin-linkery and master-crafting makes him a must for my Salamanders.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/518285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/518285.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
Ghazghkull Thraka
Boss Snikrot
Abbadon the Despoiler
Kharne the Betrayer
Typhus
And possibly Lucius the Eternal, but I'd have to try him out first (strangely, I actually DO want to try him)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/518481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/518481.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
Ghaz is - well - Ghaz. He is da big boss and rightfully so.
Snikrot can bring 15 Kommandos in the back door and drop 2 flame templates on you before you have a chance to react.
Grotsnik gives FNP. Powerful. Cybork bodies for ANY unit for 5 pts.

Grotsnik in an army with snikrot is sick. 15 cyborked kommandos are just beyond nasty.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/522965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/522965.page GMT Any one else never use Special Characters
The idea behind my Ghaz equivalent is that he wears one of Ghaz' old suits of Mega Armour that was destroyed during the second War on Armageddeon. Not sure about my Snikrot Equivalent yet.

As for my Grey Knights, I don't use special characters. Mainly because Coteaz sucks ass, and because the Grand Master is better then BC Stern.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/523007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227037/523007.page GMT