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Shooting unit: Pink horrors (worth a lil under 3 boys.. but work well vanillia, boys do not).4+inv,fearless, bs 3, str4 ap 4 assault 3 18", deepstrike as standard. 10pts = str 8 ap 1 assault 1 shot in addition.

But granted.. units in specific combinations (rather than x times model A) marines with las/plas, guardains and scatter lasers or.. i dunno, ork boys and rokkits/big shootas/nobz/bosspoll etc. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/526966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/526966.page GMT Re:Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Razerous wrote:Sniper shooting unit : Pathfinder rangers..

Shooting unit: Pink horrors (worth a lil under 3 boys.. but work well vanillia, boys do not).4+inv,fearless, bs 3, str4 ap 4 assault 3 18", deepstrike as standard. 10pts = str 8 ap 1 assault 1 shot in addition.

But granted.. units in specific combinations (rather than x times model A) marines with las/plas, guardains and scatter lasers or.. i dunno, ork boys and rokkits/big shootas/nobz/bosspoll etc.


Actually, boys are better point for point in shooting then Pink horrors, and thanks to the cover saves and and higher toughness, are more survivable then horrors in many cases. Not to mention they are good in close combat.

Actually ork boys are even better then marines in shooting point for point. For the price of two marines you get five boys. My battlewagon list can easily wipe a unit of marines/termies a turn.

Remember though, they aren't super godly. The shoota boy is the best all around unit point for point, but will die horribly if you never give them support. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527407.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
For medium/medium heavy fire, Lootaz.

For heavy fire... I dunno... probably something like an obliterator, being able to use every weapon under the sun and all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527410.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527483.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527485.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527510.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Phryxis wrote:Against what? And at what range?


If we want a useful answer, we need to ask these questions. Each weapon in 40k kills some targets more efficiently than others. Asking which shooting unit is most efficient point-for-point won't get any good answers because units perform radically different roles on the battlefield. As good as Shoota Boyz are, you can't shoot them at the same targets that, say, Tankbustas normally shoot at and say that Tankbustas are more efficient point-for-point! If we want the best answer, we should divide them into categories of targets and ranges.

Since that sounds like more work than most of us want to do on a forum, though (), I'll just say Eldar Fire Dragons. Getting a meltagun on every sixteen point model is a deal that's too good to pass up! Toss in an Exarch with a twin-linked heavy flamer and you've even got some anti-infantry versatility for a low price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527511.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Actually if you take 15 Lootas 48" away and they avg 2 shots each against the same abount of pts of boys 37 boys and give the boys a 5+ cover save say from a big mek. And give the Lootas a 4+ cover save from cover. The Boys running until they get in range should finish the lootas off with a charge, its close but boys win out in the end


But all those shoota boyz without a rokkit or two can't knock out anything higher than AV 10. (though admittedly S7 can't beat AV 14 it has a much higher range of usefullness.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527537.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point AS GOOD as shootaboys (2 shots at 18", but will hit twice as often, for double the price). over a single round of shooting, the dire avengers with exarch and bladestorm put out significantly more shooting that the shootaboys on a pt per pt basis, and taken in consideration with the list as a whole, you can also safely figure in Doom on the target unit, effetively increasing the unit's shooting half-again. Over several turns, Bladestorming is weaker than not using the power, but being able to front-load the damage is a great option to have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527547.page GMT Re:Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Opinions people?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/527557.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Waaaaagh wrote:Actually if you take 15 Lootas 48" away and they avg 2 shots each against the same abount of pts of boys 37 boys and give the boys a 5+ cover save say from a big mek. And give the Lootas a 4+ cover save from cover. The Boys running until they get in range should finish the lootas off with a charge, its close but boys win out in the end


How are your shootas gonna get to the lootas? I guess the opponents army is going to move out of the way and let you through... ... A big mek isn't a shooter so he isn't part of the equation. Take away that cover save and lootas smash the boyz. If you go adding support then it isn't about the shooty unit but the overall build tactics of a list. Lootas castle up and shoot, It is what they do, so they will have the cover save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529530.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point
Dakka tyrant!
121 points (BS4, Str6)
12 shots, 10.66 hit, 10.13 wound vs. T4

Equivalent points in:
lootas 4.39 wounds
shoota boyz 6.66 wounds
horros 5.25 wounds
Sternguard 5.5 with 2+ wound rounds, rapidfire
Firewarriors 8 wounds, rapidfire

Tyrant wins! Most close range fire exchanges between models with a T value will go to the tyrant (Sternguard take-over at T7+). If you prioritize long-range firepower, lootas take-over.
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wuestenfux wrote:3 Warwalkers with scatter lasers guided by a Farseer.

Is 255 points total (walkers + farseer + guide)
24 shots, 18 hits (with guide), 15 wounds to T4

7.5 per cost of a Dakka tyrant though. Dakka tyrant wins!

The warwalkers do outperform Lootas for wounds though, but underperform compared to Loota anti-light vehicle.
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Barring Burnaboyz in a Wagon which is just crazy. My vote goes to....

Dakka tyrant!

Damn you beat me to it. Dakka tyrant woulda been my overall choice as well but I like mobile shooting whereever possible (one reason lootas while awesome are not my cup of tea).

Although using the barebones one I dunno if it has the durability of equal points in other options like shootas (due to cover, KFF etc). Give em tyrant guard and that gets better but that costs points for no increase in shooting. Still gets my vote though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529690.page GMT Best Shooting Unit in the Game Point for Point http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/227783/529702.page GMT