Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:You mean there are people out there who don't know how to use Tac Marines?

Deadshane1 wrote:

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:You mean there are people out there who don't know how to use Tac Marines?

Given how they've recently performed in U.S. tournements....I'd say that wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Shep wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:You mean there are people out there who don't know how to use Tac Marines?

Given how they've recently performed in U.S. tournements....I'd say that wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

I'm willing to bet that someone as confident about tac marines as Nofasse might be using them wrong. And Deadshane couldn't have said it better. They are enigmatic, I'm figuring them out. I like my config I've got. But I didn't land on it right away. And it didn't look like anyone had them figured out by the time baltimore hit.

Green Blow Fly wrote:There is no reason not to take a power fist in a ten man squad.

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I was going to be snarky and 'fix' your post like the kids do, by taking out the word 'not'. But I felt like that might be a bit too much.

There are actually 25 reasons not to take a power fist. My experience with tourney level 5th ed. Is that the CC units that are out there are REAL dyed in the wool murderous killers. Nobody comes halfway. The units that are interested in CC don't care that you have 2 power fist attacks. They just don't. The units that you can beat in CC, you can beat without a power fist.

Walkers and MCs... you should be able to control those through deployment, mobility, and meltaguns/shooting phase.


Back to the OP question. This is what I'm running and why.

2x 10 man, meltagun and missile launcher.... combi-melta if there is room.

naked razorback if mechanized, naked drop pod if pod assaulting.

I combat squad in every mission except annihilation.

In annihilation I don't combat squad, and so I can't fit in my razorback, but thats ok. As the only mission without objectives, I don't really need to move around.

In a drop pod you might say something like "you are going to drop so close to your opponent, shouldn't you be 10 strong and have a pfist?' the trick is I'm not going to be dropping close to my opponent, if I'm even in the drop pod. The two drop pods are just shills to kick my 50% drop pod assault up to 3 so I can unload 30 sternguard or 20 sternguard and an ironclad, or 3x ironclads. Tacticals are always going to be second wave support for me. So i keep them with guns that can fire long range, and with guns that can help them fend off a blocking attempt by a transport. The drop pods of tacticals are going to be trickling in, in safe spots, and setting up for scores.

If all of the upgrades you guys like were free... of course I'd take them. But I think my rig, based on my playstyle, is the most points efficient.

Green Blow Fly wrote:It's better to charge with your tactical squad than be charged.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:It's better to charge with your tactical squad than be charged.

Better to save those points for more useful things than a CC weapon in a unit that sucks in CC in the first place.

Heres a list of things you can get for 50 pts that can potentially be more useful than two power fists.

Heavy Bolter Attack biker (55pts for a MM one) {DEAD IN ONE SHOT, an extra KP for enemy}
Speeder {DEAD IN ONE SHOT, an extra KP for enemy}
Techmarine to bolster some terrain for your many Tac squads to sit in. {Costs as much as giving two tac squads powerfists. Only gets 1 powerfist attack on defense or charge compared to the 4 powerfist attacks on defense and 6 on charge for the powerfist tacticals. An extra KP for enemy.}
Razorback with pintle SB {DEAD IN ONE SHOT, an extra KP for enemy}
Land Speeder Storm {DEAD IN ONE SHOT, an extra KP for enemy}
Sargeant Tellion {First valid alternative to me. It is more effective at anti-champ tactics than a powerfist, but it won't be bringing down the dreadnaughts and tanks and or insta-killing Nobz}
Ten points shy of a whole predator {An unloaded predator with no firepower, just an unlinked autocannon and kill point for the enemy. A triple lascannon pred on the other hand costs 165 points, as much as 6.6 powerfist upgrades, which aren't as easy to target as a predator.}


Doenst sound that smart to liberally pass around P.fist's anymore now does it?

Hellfury wrote:
In my experience locally, power fists in tac squads are now no longer compulsory, but obsolete.

Green Blow Fly wrote:This is commonly referred to as a force multiplier. The SM vanilla special characters are also force multipliers but unfortunately it seems a lot of gamers want to use this to boost their elite units. You can easily build a vanilla army with a solid staple of scoring units that are enhanced by their special characters. Vulkan is great for a squad of tactical Marines running with a meltagun, multi melts and combi melta. This is one of the few units I would still consider running In a drop pod. Of course the sergeant would also be equipped with a power fist to help absorb the inevitable counter charge.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:

Hellfury wrote:
In my experience locally, power fists in tac squads are now no longer compulsory, but obsolete.

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