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				<description><![CDATA[ Hello,<br /> <br /> I have a friend of mine who wants to use Marneus Calgar at Adepticon in the 1850 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> Championships. He's been asking me for list ideas. I do not think he is a good choice in that setting and points value due to him costing 250+ points. I can't think of a reason to use him. Has anyone here have experience with using him successfully in games or a tournament setting? If so what would you use to accompany him? I was telling him to maybe throw him in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> with T-Hammer termies for a start. I'm at a loss. I'm using a Vulcan list myself and that list writes itself.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:26:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Blunt Force Trauma]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, I never would use Marneus Calgar in a competitive setting at 1850 pts.  He's a real point sink. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wuestenfux]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I personally find marneus to be the least impressive of all the marine characters.  The love for him that other players have sort of baffles me.<br /> <br /> He's worth 2 shooty terminators on the charge (6 PFist attacks), 3 if your target is WS4-5.  Otherwise he lets you pass leadership checks?  When has <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span> been a problem for marines?  <br /> <br /> Tell your friend to drop marneus and pick up an entire UNIT of 6 assault terminators in his spot.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:53:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Moz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lysander also has eternal warrior, and gets a thunder hammer.  Marneus just isn't all that great.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:02:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ whitedragon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, Lysander is still the best of the termie <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span>'s not only due to cost, but stubborn is pretty damned handy and doesn't suffer from the negatives that fearless does.<br /> <br /> All in all, I would rather have another squad of termies than calgar.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:31:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hellfury]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>wuestenfux wrote:</cite>Well, I never would use Marneus Calgar in a competitive setting at 1850 pts.  He's a real point sink. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Try maxing out on Honor Guard if you want a <i>real</i> point sink.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:31:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ captain.gordino]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>He's worth 2 shooty terminators on the charge (6 PFist attacks), 3 if your target is WS4-5.</div></blockquote><br /> Bit more to him then just the charge stat though.<br /> <br /> -Orbital Strike.  Lysander or a unit of assault terminators doesn't get that.<br /> -God of War.  In some ways better then stubborn and in some ways not.  GoW is probably best for a shooty army that doesn't want models stuck in a combat from stubborn but could benefit from the option to go fearless sometimes.<br /> <br /> -BS5 AP3 storm bolter that rerolls wounds.  Worth about 3 storm bolters I guess in the scheme of things<br /> -Rerolls wounds, teeny boost for the fists against <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEq</span>(might be pedantic but that does makes him better-ish then the numbers posted) and against those rare T7+ units.   Also turns that power sword of his into 5 I5 lighting claw attacks on the charge.<br /> -Better <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(162);'>inv</span> save and more wounds then the stock terminators mentioned.<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't use em either but even so I made up a list recently for giggles with him in it.  Could be stronger with someone else and could probably use a tweak here and there.  Still a a start if this guy is really set on Calgar.<br /> <br /> Marneus Calgar -- 250 <br /> <br /> 5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> Terminators -- 200 <br /> Landraider -- 250 <br /> <br /> 10 man tactical, Plasma cannon, Melta gun, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> razorback -- 220 <br /> <br /> 10 man tactical, Plasma cannon, Melta gun, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> razorback -- 220 <br /> <br /> 10 man tactical, Plasma cannon, Flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> razorback -- 215 <br /> <br /> 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> Attack Bikes -- 150<br /> <br /> Vindicator -- 115 <br /> Vindicator -- 115 <br /> Vindicator -- 115 <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(58);'>HTH</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:03:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ winterman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Remember that Marneus also has a power sword which basically counts as a lightning claw. Most people are under the impression that he must always strike at I1... this is definitely not the case.<br /> <br /> G]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:30:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:09:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nofasse 'Eadhunta]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks guys. You all have summed up what I felt. I tried telling him that he's not that good but you know how it is when you a have a model that is painted nicely and you want to show it off.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:36:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Blunt Force Trauma]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ look if he wants a no brainer tell him to take Cassius. 125pts and you've (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span>) the best value Space Marine In the codex]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:09:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tri]]></author>
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