http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Vampire Lord, skull staff, helm of commandment, summon ghouls, master of the black arts, forbidden lore; 450 pts

Vampire, sword of might, the flayed Hauberk, ghoulkin, summon ghouls; 180 pts

vampire, sword of battle, book of arkhan, dread knight, summon ghouls; 190 pts

Wight King, battle standard bearer, war banner, lance, barded skeletal steed; 157 points

10 Crypt Ghouls, ghast; 80 pts

15 Crypt Ghouls, ghast; 128 pts

15 Crypt Ghouls, ghast; 128 pts

15 Crypt Ghouls, ghast; 128 pts

5 Black Knights, Hell Knight, standard, Standard of Hellish Vigour; 177 pts

5 Black Knights, Hell Knight, standard; 152 pts

5 Black Knights, Hell Knight, standard; 152 pts

Varghulf; 175 pts

8 Cairn Wratih; 400 pts

Total Roster Cost: 2497

Haven't played in a LONG time so any constructive comments/criticism is welcome. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/543081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/543081.page GMT
or...

the list is so horrible that I might was well scrap it and try a out a new list.

Any chance I can get a second opinion on which statement is true?

Either way any feedback would be much appreciative.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/546235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/546235.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/546818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/546818.page GMT
On the second vamp, drop the sword of battle for the Black Periapt. The extra power die will help a lot more, especially with the ability to cast Invo on a 3+ to summon more ghouls.

Don't forget to raise some zombies too.

Ozymandias, King of Kings]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/547076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/547076.page GMT ok, it seems like the wraiths wouldn't be that good of a choice for me due to them being either good for some armies or bad for others, how about dropping the wraith and grabbing a 2nd varghulf and 4th unit of black knights, would that be a better choice for all around gameplay?

as for the holy trinity of vamp items, you named the drakenhoff banner, I take it that the helm of commandment and book or arkhan are also part of the trinity, or am I wrong?

btw, isn't it not recommended to take the drakenhoff banner these days due to its high pricetag and everybody including something that could get around it?

@Ozymandias
from what I've heard wouldn't you want to have a minimum of 15 ghouls in case you run into armies that have a lot of anti-magic or for armies that are designed to be on you really fast (bretonnians being one of the first that comes to mind), that way you won't be too dependent on expecting to get a couple of invocations off

since I plan on throwing the vamp w/dreadknight and wight king into two seperate black knight regiments, would you still recommend to bump the units to 6 or would you only recommend to bump the number to 6 if the regiment doesn't get any char support

would like to drop the sword of battle from the 2nd vamp but the problem is that he also happens to be toting the book and if I remember my rules correctly a character with two arcane items is a big no no (the exception being dispell scroll and power stones)

oh and I plan on raising zombies all over the place, those little guys are useful for so many things ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/548129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/548129.page GMT
You are correct on the trinity. The Drakenhoff, book, and Helm are considered the 3 most useful/powerful items in the army book. The black periapt deserves an honorable mention, though!

The Drakenhoff banner is expensive, but it gives regeneration to the whole unit and any characters. Regeneration is essentially a 50% save you always get, even against crumble wounds, so it is very powerful! There isn't much that negates it. Flaming items are about it, so Lore of fire, screaming skull catapult, runed dwarf WM, and VC flaming banner (which I take on a unit of knights now to counter Drakenhoff or Plaguebearers) are about all I can think of that counter it off hand. A unit of knights or GG with the banner and a character is very hard to stop. Additionally, the mounted WK's T5 2+ AS + regen is tough to crack!

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You have 9 PD and you cast Invo on the ghouls on a 3+. I'd really like to see an army that can stop that reliably. You only need one turn of casting to get a unit or two up to a good starting strength. If you are worried, drop one unit to 10 and use the 40 points to get a single unit of Ghouls. That way, you have two units of 15 (presumably where your foot vamps will go) and two of 10 (probably best at flankers anyway).

Ozymandias, King of Kings

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/549091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/549091.page GMT ok, the idea that I have is to make an "all-comers" type of list, mainly because I'm taking this to a tourney and have no idea what is going to be there and I want it to be able to go toe to toe with anything.

So going along those type of lines do you think it's advisable to take the drakenhoff banner to a tourney mainly because everybody might take into consideration about taking something that will allow them to negate regeneration or allow them to have an easier time with flammable guys, i.e. treemen.

Also, with the book and helm do you think people might get their feelings hurt if I have all 3 items in the list or do you think they're feelings will already be hurt since I plan on taking the book and helm no matter what list I take with me.

@Ozymandias
the plan that I have for the list is to have the vamp lord join the 10 ghoul unit and have that unit placed behind the 3 15 ghoul units with the knights and varghulf(s) on the flanks to try and keep fast units away from the lord and if somebody is able to get around me I can attempt to create a block of ghouls to either redirect them or tarpit them. With me trying to do all of this

do you still think I need to have a sword of might on lord even though I the role I have planned for him is to be magic support for the army and try to avoid combat as much as possible]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/551039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/551039.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/562378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/562378.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/564764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/564764.page GMT BSB if he's only going to be joining a unit of 5 Knights. I would lose a unit of Knights and instead pimp one of the units up to 10. Looking at the points costs, you haven't given your Knights barding. Barding is worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/565985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/228846/565985.page GMT