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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Daemon prince w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>Mot</span>,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt<br /> <br /> Elite:<br /> dreadnought:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> autocannon.110pt<br /> <br /> troops:<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.210pt<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.215pt<br /> 8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt<br /> <br /> Heavy:<br /> 2xRino w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter.80pt<br /> 1xRino.35pt<br /> 2xVindicators.250pt<br /> 2xoblits.150pt<br /> <br /> 1850pt list:<br /> <br /> Fabius Bile.160pt(to join <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> squad)<br /> 5xterminators:2xPF,1xchain fist,heavy flamer,2xcombi-meltas.200pt<br /> A heavy flamer for the dread.5pt<br /> (incase your wondering where the mystery 15pts came from a man had to be removed from the power fist squad so Fabius could fit in the rino <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> )]]></description>
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				<title>Re:alternate 1500 &amp; 1850 IW list</title>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:42:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ warsmith pyrus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, you are deviating firmly from SOP for Dakka <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> lists.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>, the general wisdom is if you are going to take a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>, take 2.  one will draw so much fire, that you will be lucky for it to survive to turn 2.<br /> <br /> Elite- the much malinged dreadnought... and only one.  Again, dreads need to be taken in multiples, or it will never see <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>... With your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and elites, you have a very easy to give up 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(316);'>KP</span> and very killable 315 points.  try two <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s rather than a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> and a Dread.<br /> <br /> Troops - OK, you took <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>'s here.  Many people on the forums think that cult&gt;CSM any day of the wek, but I am not one of them.  I think these are you first solid unit of the list.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span> - another good choice.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, it is SOP to list dedicated transporst WITH the unit that are chosen with, NOT in the heavy support section.  it just makes for less confusion. Man people would council you to get rid of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span> and just take Plague marines as they are 3|337, but I think that what you have here is a good mix.<br /> <br /> Heavy support.<br /> Oblits...  Well, oblits are good and all, but without lash, I don't know how much usefull ness you will see from these guys, as opposed to another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>, so I would council getting rid of these guys for another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span>, and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> (along with the points from the Dread.. really I would STRONGLY suggest getting rid of the dread)<br /> <br /> 2Vindis - 3 would be better, but 2 is still scary.<br /> <br /> 1850.  I would strongly council you against Bile.  I would get a 3rd vindi, and use the rest of the points of the termies.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, your termies are alittle all over the place.  I have seen combi-plasma termies do excellent, even in the 4+ cover world we live in today.  10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> shots will RUIN most elite units, and if it doesn't, you still have 5-6 termies waiting to go.  I would also take ateast one chainfist, due to the Meta value of Land raiders. You should mark the termies as well.  I like <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, but if you want to be theme-y <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MOT</span> is good as well.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:56:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ so does this look better<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Daemon prince w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>Mot</span>,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt<br /> Daemon prince w/Mon,nurgles rot,wings.165pt<br /> <br /> troops:<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.210pt<br /> rino,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter.40pt<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.215pt<br /> rino.35pt<br /> 8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt <br /> rino,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter.40pt<br /> <br /> heavy support<br /> 3xvindicators(which i usually run).375pt<br /> <br /> total:1411pt<br /> now what can i do with the remaining 81pt i was thinking deamonis posession on all the vindicators<br /> <br /> and in the1850pt i would make the terminators still be a five man squad and have mark of nurgle and some combi-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> and two chain fists]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:22:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ warsmith pyrus]]></author>
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				<title>Re:alternate 1500 &amp; 1850 IW list</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>warsmith pyrus wrote:</cite>so does this look better<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Daemon prince w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>Mot</span>,warp time,winds of chaos,wings.205pt<br /> Daemon prince w/Mon,nurgles rot,wings.165pt<br /> <br /> troops:<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power sword,personal icon,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.210pt<br /> rino,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter.40pt<br /> 10xcsm champ w/power fist,melta,flamer,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(75);'>IoCG</span>.215pt<br /> rino.35pt<br /> 8xTS sorc w/bolt of change.241pt <br /> rino,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter.40pt<br /> <br /> heavy support<br /> 3xvindicators(which i usually run).375pt<br /> <br /> total:1411pt<br /> now what can i do with the remaining 81pt i was thinking deamonis posession on all the vindicators<br /> <br /> and in the1850pt i would make the terminators still be a five man squad and have mark of nurgle and some combi-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> and two chain fists</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, That looks better to me.<br /> <br /> Possession is great on vindis, I say do it.  A 1500, this is now a right scary list.<br /> a 5 man termie squad would be great for 1750<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:13:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Sushicaddy]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ thanks for the help but if deamonic posession is only 20pts i could break the bank and have combi-flamers on two of the rinos with the left over points]]></description>
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